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11-14-2017, 06:15 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 23' Flying Cloud
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2017
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What can I pull with Ford F150?
We're in the Airstream dreaming/shopping stage and we're wondering what size trailer we can safely pull with our 2007 Ford F150. Attached is the door tag from the truck and more info from doing a VIN lookup. Comments and advice from experienced trailer haulers is most welcome
Type
8 Cylinder Engine
Displacement L/CI
5.4/330
Fuel Type
Flex Fuel Capability
Horsepower
300.0 @ 5000
Fuel Economy
15.0 City / 19.0 Highway MPG
Fuel Capacity
27.0 / 35.0 gal
Net Torque
365.0 @ 3750
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11-14-2017, 06:19 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Chelsea
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,792
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Boy have you ever opened up a can of worms with this question . I'm afraid you are going get so much contradictory information on this forum that you will end up being very confused . I'd seek out the personal, first hand advice of someone who actually pulls an Airstream of the size you want with a similar truck . Best of luck!
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11-14-2017, 06:50 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 23' Flying Cloud
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnArborBob
Boy have you ever opened up a can of worms with this question . I'm afraid you are going get so much contradictory information on this forum that you will end up being very confused . I'd seek out the personal, first hand advice of someone who actually pulls an Airstream of the size you want with a similar truck . Best of luck!
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Uh oh...sorry about that! I was hoping this would be the place for personal, first hand advice.
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11-14-2017, 07:19 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Does the truck have a tow package?
What is the rating of the receiver hitch?
Is there a brake controller?
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11-14-2017, 07:25 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,364
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The determining factors here are payload and towing capacity. How much weight can you put ON the truck (payload) and how much can you PULL with the truck (towing capacity).
Once you have those two numbers, you can work your way back and see how much you can tow. Remember, in addition to the weight the Airstream will put ON you truck, you also need to add passengers and cargo to that number.
For example, my truck has a payload of 1600 pounds and can tow 8300 pounds. My 30’ Airstream puts about 1000 pounds of weight ON my truck, so I have 600 pounds left for passengers and cargo. Enough for me. It might not be enough for others that have a larger family or more cargo.
The max weight of my trailer is 8800 pounds, but the way I have it loaded, it’s about 7000-7500 pounds. Well under the 8300 pounds PULLING limit. So I tow happy as a clam. Your numbers will obviously be different.
The poster above is commenting on the inevitable conflict that will come with all sorts of other opinions on axle weights, GVWR, weight distribution, and the other 20 topics that people use to justify using a 1 ton pickup truck to pull an Airstream. Some will think your truck is too small and too light. Others tow with your same truck all day long. Opinions are like .... belly buttons. Everybody has one. Just look at the numbers and make sure you invest in a decent weight distributing and anti sway hitch, and you’ll be surprised how much Airstream you can tow.
Good luck!
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11-14-2017, 08:00 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' International
Southeastern MI
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Where are you planning to go? How many miles on the truck? What condition is it in?
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11-14-2017, 08:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 7,620
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You can pull whatever you want.
A better question is, "What can I stop?"
With the addition of a good receiver, equalizer hitch, better tires, and an electric brake controller, you'll be fine as long as you don't overload it and your brakes are up to the task.
My 1/2 ton pulls the Airstream smoothly. It's easy to forget it's there. I'm still adjusting the brake controller because I just don't think I can stop fast enough. Of course, I leave plenty of room, but that just encourages people to dive in in front of you and jam on the brakes.
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11-14-2017, 08:43 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 23' Flying Cloud
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TG Twinkie
Does the truck have a tow package?
What is the rating of the receiver hitch?
Is there a brake controller?
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It has a hitch but I don't think it has an optional tow package per se.
I do have a brake controller we installed to pull our small Casita camper. Can I assume it's sufficient for an Airstream?
The best I can find out about the receiver hitch rating is:
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 5000 lbs 5000.0 min 5000.0 max
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. 500 lbs 500.0 min 500.0 max
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. 8400, 9400, 5700, 7900, 8900, 6200 lbs 5700.0 min 9500.0 max
The numbers are a bit confusing and I apologize for my ignorance.
The truck has a little over 100k miles, has been properly maintained and is good working order.
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11-14-2017, 08:53 AM
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Trailer Sold, Waving
2019 26' Flying Cloud
Stettler
, Alberta
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,032
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Specs for your Ford f-150. As you see, it varies depending on your particular configuration.
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11-14-2017, 09:20 AM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,493
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What can I pull with Ford F150?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam.A
We're in the Airstream dreaming/shopping stage and we're wondering what size trailer we can safely pull with our 2007 Ford F150. Attached is the door tag from the truck and more info from doing a VIN lookup. Comments and advice from experienced trailer haulers is most welcome
Type
8 Cylinder Engine
Displacement L/CI
5.4/330
Fuel Type
Flex Fuel Capability
Horsepower
300.0 @ 5000
Fuel Economy
15.0 City / 19.0 Highway MPG
Fuel Capacity
27.0 / 35.0 gal
Net Torque
365.0 @ 3750
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The owner's manual that came with your truck has the real answers to your questions.
Look at the "Tire loading" and "Trailer towing" sections. Pay special attention to the chart in the trailer towing section.
There is a note in there somewhere that says (paraphrased) your truck is limited to ~5,000 lbs trailer weight unless you have the factory towing package.
add edit:
There is another placard (other than the one shown in your photo) that shows the axles capacities, tire capacities, and payload capacities of your specific vehicle. Total weight of people, cargo, and trailer tongue weights should not exceed axle/tire/payload capacity.
The tongue weight the trailer manufacture states does not include cargo/propane/water in the trailer. When estimating, a good rule of thumb is to assume the loaded trailer's tongue will weight between 10% and 15% of the trailer's gross weight rating (GVWR).
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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11-14-2017, 10:01 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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Do you want a Classic 30?
Or do you want a Flying Cloud 23?
Have you picked out a trailer?
Maybe choose your trailer and then see if it fits the parameters.
I tow a Classic 30 with a Tundra.
It handles well, but I am eating up every single pound of payload.
Maybe if you get a trailer smaller than mine you will be OK.
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11-14-2017, 10:10 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
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Your limited to 5000# because the hitch is a class 3?
You need a class 4.
Now a class three can tow up to 10,000# with a weight distributing hitch. It must be securely attached to the frame.
Since almost any Airstream will be over 5,000# with over 500# of tongue weight, make sure the hitch is up to par and not a "bumper hitch". Should have a 2" receiver.
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11-14-2017, 01:10 PM
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New Member
Onekama
, Michigan
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 4
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Check Manufacturer's Website for Specifics
Not sure how Ford does it, but for Ram, I can go to the mopar.com site and enter my VIN. The site gives me several items of information beyond my window sticker including the towing capacity for our specific truck. Capacity is influenced by the options you have including, for instance, the rear axle ratio of your truck, towing package, etc.
So much easier to let the manufacturer tell me about our exact truck :-)
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11-15-2017, 01:01 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 23' Flying Cloud
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10
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Thank you all for your comments. I have a towing package but I'm not quite sure it's the heavy duty one, but my receiver is rated for 9,900 lbs with a weight distribution hitch. The ratio is 3.73 and I have a transmission cooler so I believe I'm good to go with most trailers that we're considering, which are in the 20-25 foot range. I just didn't want to get something and find out I need a bigger tow vehicle. Thanks again for your comments and suggestions!
Oh, and I did obtain a window sticker which shows exactly what my truck came with. Stays tow package but doesn't specify heavy duty.
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11-15-2017, 07:29 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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If it doesn't use the phrase "Max Trailer Tow Package" it is the standard tow package.
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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11-15-2017, 08:10 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,670
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You want to look at the white and yellow sticker up from that one. It is called the "load" sticker by Ford and indicates the payload figure for the specific truck it is on. In the owner's manual it describes the weight capacity on this sticker with a graphic showing people, cargo and tongue weight as payload and, not to exceed the rating.
The tongue weight is the limiting factor. The tow rating will be higher I believe and should not be a problem. I had an '09 with the 4.6L 3Vhigh output and six speed. It was able to pull 8100# and had a payload of 1540#. My Airstream Safari 25' at 1000# tongue was 7000# gross weight. It could tow it but roared on hills gearing to whatever needed speed, especially in West Virginia. It had the tow package. I do not know what years Ford had a sticker like this but it was/is on my '09, '15 and '17. The engine was 292HP and 320 ft lbs torque. My thought is a 22' Sport or perhaps 23' at most but check for the payload.
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2022 Ford F150 PowerBoost Platinum w/7.2KW
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11-15-2017, 08:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2016 30' Classic
Naperville
, Illinois
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 138
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnArborBob
Boy have you ever opened up a can of worms with this question . I'm afraid you are going get so much contradictory information on this forum that you will end up being very confused . I'd seek out the personal, first hand advice of someone who actually pulls an Airstream of the size you want with a similar truck . Best of luck!
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Good advice!
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2016 Classic (with ProPride)
2016 Silverado 3500HD Diesel drw
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11-16-2017, 06:05 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 23' Flying Cloud
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbo
If it doesn't use the phrase "Max Trailer Tow Package" it is the standard tow package.
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Thanks Bobbo. It doesn’t use the phrase but appears to have all of the components that make up the Max Tow package with the exception of extendable mirrors, which I think come with Max Tow.
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11-16-2017, 07:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam.A
Thanks Bobbo. It doesn’t use the phrase but appears to have all of the components that make up the Max Tow package with the exception of extendable mirrors, which I think come with Max Tow.
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No, the Max Tow does not include extendable mirrors. Mine doesn't have them. They are a different option. Here is a post from a different forum that gives a pretty good listing of the differences.
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Max. Trailer Tow Package (optional on all trims; required for towing up to 12,200 lbs.; requires 3.5L EcoBoost engine) includes 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, Class IV trailer hitch receiver, Smart Trailer Tow Connector, Pro Trailer Backup Assist, auxiliary transmission oil cooler, 3.55 electronic locking rear axle, trailer brake controller, and upgraded front stabilizer bar and rear bumper
the 'regular' tow package is as follows:
Trailer Tow Package (optional on all trims; required for towing up to 11,100 lbs.) includes 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, Class IV trailer hitch receiver, Smart Trailer Tow Connector, Pro Trailer Backup Assist,™ auxiliary transmission oil cooler, and upgraded front stabilizer bar
neither package includes trailer tow mirrors, which is a separate option. that was my problem, finding a truck with trailer tow mirrors. then it didn't have a brake controller but my dealer added it after delivery. the people who order trucks for dealers have no idea what theyre doing when specing a truck for towing.
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According to this, it seems that Max Tow gets 3.55 electronic locking rear axle, trailer brake controller and upgraded rear bumper.
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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11-16-2017, 10:52 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Welcome!
With a weight distribution hitch a tongue weight of 800 to 1000-lbs as example, will, after adjustment, place a load on the truck of from approx 700-800/lbs. Or 350-400/lbs per axle. Which yours can handle just fine. Many other vehicle types as well.
First step should be to find the local Cat Scale (get phone app) and top off the fuel tank on the pickup with just driver and items kept permanently aboard. That will be the TARE weight. The adjusted lightest weight.
With Steer and Drive Axle weights shown, the range from those to the vehicle tire/axle limits tell what one can work with. It'll be quite a lot.
I'd change shock absorbers to Bilstein, and check the pickup (verify) that alignment is correct and brake drag aren't present. Steering is vital and pickups not too good. Correct any slop.
Tires are a concern as stiff sidewalls are a help. XL or LT tires worth your investigation. See threads around here.
The Ford hitch receiver of your era would benefit from diagonal bracing. See comments by AS dealer Andrew Thomson on this (you can contact that firm, Can Am RV, for the info a local shop could use to weld this for you). Ask also about recommended tires.
Tow mirrors, trans cooler, brake controller wiring, etc, needs investigating as above.
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