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Old 06-14-2011, 07:03 PM   #1
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Wanting to buy a “new” Ford..Advice please

here is the deal :

i am looking to trade my 2003 F250 6.0 for a 2011 F250 6.7L diesel XL basic package.
I read everything there is about the 6.7 and i would like to purchase it...
But.. the dealer offered me a 2008 F350 king ranch with all option, 6.4L and 50k mls , 5th wheel, air-ride, 4x4...for a very good price.(much much lower than the new 6.7

i need some input now about gas milage and reliability of the 6.4 Diesel.

I was told the Gas milage is terrible, but you can get a programmer to fix that (warranty?)

any info is greatly appreciated
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Old 06-14-2011, 07:09 PM   #2
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I've driven both. I would encourage you to do the same. Ford made A LOT of improvements to their HD trucks from 2008 to 2011 and they go beyond just the engine. The new trucks are more comfortable and they handle better. You don't know if that's worth the added money until you try them.

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Old 06-14-2011, 07:18 PM   #3
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i drove both :-)
still can’t make up my mind..:-)
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:07 PM   #4
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here is the deal :

i am looking to trade my 2003 F250 6.0 for a 2011 F250 6.7L diesel XL basic package.
I read everything there is about the 6.7 and i would like to purchase it...
But.. the dealer offered me a 2008 F350 king ranch with all option, 6.4L and 50k mls , 5th wheel, air-ride, 4x4...for a very good price.(much much lower than the new 6.7

i need some input now about gas milage and reliability of the 6.4 Diesel.

I was told the Gas milage is terrible, but you can get a programmer to fix that (warranty?)

any info is greatly appreciated
I've had my 2011 F250 Lariat 6.7 4X4 for two weeks. 760 miles on it with half the miles in the NC mountains. No towing yet as we are still looking for the stream. We love it. Hit a deer last night after dark at 45 mph when it jumped out in front of us. Only damage a broken fog light. Not even a scratch on the bumper. Scared my wife to death but she is now glad we bought the Super Duty. If we'd been in our much smaller car the deer would have come across the hood into the windshield.

So far 18.9 calculated mpg. Very close to the computer. Love the backup camera, navigation, cooled seats, radio, Synch, and the quiet. Ordered my Bedrug today. Trying to decide between a full cap or a Rollup tonneau. Any thoughts.
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:31 PM   #5
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Trying to decide between a full cap or a Rollup tonneau. Any thoughts.
If you don't need the extra covered space, get the tonneau. The cap will make the truck feel like a box truck. Long-term testing for me showed the cap cost 1 mpg. The cap will also (very) slightly raise the center of gravity, but it will help "settle" the rear, and it will ride smoother. The windows in the cap will also help make it a display case for anybody wanting your stuff. If they can't see it, they won't want it.
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Old 06-14-2011, 08:45 PM   #6
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If you don't need the extra covered space, get the tonneau. The cap will make the truck feel like a box truck. Long-term testing for me showed the cap cost 1 mpg. The cap will also (very) slightly raise the center of gravity, but it will help "settle" the rear, and it will ride smoother. The windows in the cap will also help make it a display case for anybody wanting your stuff. If they can't see it, they won't want it.
Do you know if the rollup tonneaus leak very badly? How about versus the fold back (Backflip)?
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I have the TracRac tonneau cover and it works great. I've had VERY little water; in fact I'm not sure it has leaked at all - maybe more from operator error rolling up the cover and spilling water in.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:32 PM   #8
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here is the deal :

i am looking to trade my 2003 F250 6.0 for a 2011 F250 6.7L diesel XL basic package.
I read everything there is about the 6.7 and i would like to purchase it...
But.. the dealer offered me a 2008 F350 king ranch with all option, 6.4L and 50k mls , 5th wheel, air-ride, 4x4...for a very good price.(much much lower than the new 6.7

i need some input now about gas milage and reliability of the 6.4 Diesel.

I was told the Gas milage is terrible, but you can get a programmer to fix that (warranty?)

any info is greatly appreciated
BTW, I am getting close to 80k miles on my 2008 6.4L King Ranch and virtually no issues; one hose replacement and a minor issue with the sensor on the "water in fuel" thing.

The fuel mileage is not as good as the 7.3L or the 6.0L versions, I think due to a lot of the emissions stuff, but I don't know how it compares with the new 6.7L. I generally run around 10 mpg towing, and I know I could improve that by slowing down a bit. We make choices.

I have not done the chip thing, mostly because I have been concerned about warranty; maybe when I cross the 100k point I'll re-think.
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:23 PM   #9
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my friend who is a ford driver traded his 2007 for the 2011 late last year. He loves the new Ford and the milage he gets. So far no problems.
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:25 PM   #10
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New 6.7 light years ahead of the previous model - do you not think he would be pushing said vehicle upon you if the newer models were not that much better?

Something stinks - go New!!!
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:29 PM   #11
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Two big problems with the 6.4 are: sootbag(carbon collector) and lifting the cab to do any work on the engine. If you plan on keeping the truck for over the 100k warranty, then I would steer clear of the 6.4. The sootbag replacement is over $1500(and if it plugs while on the road, the sensor makes the engine quit) and it cost $800 to lift the cab even before they start on fixing the problem. The 6.4 may be a vast improvement over the 6.0 leaker, but the new 6.7 is a much better deal in the long run, IMHO.

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Old 06-16-2011, 11:02 AM   #12
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Why not lease a new truck instead of buying? Here are a few statistics that I came up with. These numbers came from Ford dealers in the Boise, Idaho area. I will use 2 different trucks:

1) 2011 F-250 4X4 XLT CC-Short bed V-8 GAS sale price $43,330 + sales tax=$46,000, with $5,000 down and finance the remaining @ 4.99% for 72 months= a monthly payment of $636, lease the same vehicle for $436/month and buy it at the end of the lease for $23,325.

2) 2011 F-250 4X4 XLT CC-Shortbed V-8 Diesel, sale price $46,665 + sales tax (6%)=$50,000, with $5,000 down and finance the rest @ 4.99% for 72 months= a monthly payment of $700, lease the same vehicle for $500/month and buy it at the end of the lease for $25,150.

Take your pick.

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I sold my 2008 6.4L F450 last winter and bought a new 2011 6.7L F350 a couple months ago. (Both were King Ranch trucks.)

The only problem I had with the F450 was the low fuel economy. However, I think it was more comfortable to ride in than my F350 is - but both are pretty nice.

Ford says that the 2011's overall get 18% better milage than the 6.4L's did, and that's about what my experience has been so far.

Personally, I'd always be leary of buying a used vehicle off a dealer's lot, but that's just me (and I worked for Ford). However, if you did a thorough investigation of the used truck's history, it might be hard to economically justify paying the incremental price for a new one.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:38 PM   #14
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I had the 2008 king ranch now have the 2011 king ranch. I wouldn't even think of the 2008 if you are able to get the 2011. Loved my 2008 ,but my 2011 is amazingly nicer. The fuel milage is almost 9 miles to a gal better. Love it.
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