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Old 07-19-2011, 11:07 AM   #127
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Agreed that an owner (and a good shop) can outfit the Treg for towing. But it's a shame VW didn't bother making the Touareg more of a plug-and-play tow vehicle. Selling the factory hitch without a factory 7-pin connector on a vehicle that tows 7700 lbs seems silly.

Maybe VW expects you to only tow boat or car trailers with surge brakes...or that you're still in Europe towing travel trailers with surge brakes and no tongue weight.

Compared to this, something like a Jeep/Dodge/Chevy/GMC/Ford/Nissan/Toyota where you just plug in a brake controller and off you tow seems rather simple.

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Old 07-19-2011, 11:20 AM   #128
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VW has their blinders on when it comes to the huge North American TV/Towing market.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:42 PM   #129
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VW has their blinders on when it comes to the huge North American TV/Towing market.
I find that strange as VW has been selling autos in NA for at least 50 years. They even manufactured them in Westmorland, PA for many years.

All VW would have to do is add a "towing" package which includes the 2" hitch receiver with adequate reinforcement for use with a weight distributing hitch and a 7 pin adapter and they would have a winner. If they want to jump ahead of the competition they could include a P3 brake controller in the package.

When I was checking on Ford pickups some towing packages did include a brake controller.
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:40 PM   #130
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OrangeKid - I'm telling ya, the F-150 CrewCab EcoBoost is in your future...

It's not just VW/Porsche/Audi (BTW, Audi looses 1,000 pounds towing capacity & 100 lbs tongue weight due to the lengthened frame) but Mercedes as well....

Darn those Europeans, don't they know what us North American's want?
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:38 AM   #131
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OrangeKid - I'm telling ya, the F-150 CrewCab EcoBoost is in your future...

It's not just VW/Porsche/Audi (BTW, Audi looses 1,000 pounds towing capacity & 100 lbs tongue weight due to the lengthened frame) but Mercedes as well....

Darn those Europeans, don't they know what us North American's want?
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Those darn Europeans actually know what North American trailer owners want. It does not mean it makes sense for them to satisfy the demand.

If you look over the past few decades, European (and Asian) car builders have slowly taken over the North American car market, their own way. Even the Mini is selling like hot cakes now!!!!

Now going back to towing, European builders don't really do pickups but use SUV (like the Touareg) to tow trailers (not fifth wheels). The main reason is that trailers are much smaller there and, most importantly, you are not allowed to tow more than 7,000lbs.

Also, what is the percentage of trailers in the RV industry?? looking at the campgrounds I usually stay in, maybe, it is between 20 to 30%, the rest being 5th wheel and motorhomes. Therefore, why should companies like MB, VW, Porsche spend big bucks to come out with a vehicle for such a small market segment and try to compete with the almighty American pickup truck????

my take on this: NO WAY CAUSE NO MONEY
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:07 PM   #132
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There is a big difference in towing an aero trailer of a given size (with low COG and independent suspension plus better weight/loading) and a square white box. Therein lays much of the problem, IMO.
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Old 07-21-2011, 04:25 PM   #133
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I just looked at a Touareg TDI. It had the factory hitch installed, and also a 7-pin trailer connector factory installed. The trailer connector was listed on the factory window sticker as a $140 option.

I then looked in the owners manual where it has a warning not to use a weight distribution with this vehicle. What a shame, wonderful tow vehicle design with this odd limitation.

I would probably consider beefing up the hitch attachment, but I suppose it would cause problems with the 10 year, 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

Can this thing tow 7700 lbs without a w.d. hitch? If not, what good is it . . . towing boats? 747's?

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Old 07-21-2011, 05:03 PM   #134
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Can this thing tow 7700 lbs without a w.d. hitch? If not, what good is it . . . towing boats? 747's?

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Yes it can. And many do tow travel trailers, boats, race cars, horses and whatever. Go check the Touareg forum listed at the bottom of this site.

Have towed with and without WD hitch, a 19' and a 25', and the hitch receiver is still attached. However if all the safety warnings make you nervous, then get a big heavy duty pickup truck.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:14 AM   #135
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We bot a 2011 Touareg TDI with towing package and tow a 19' flying cloud. It pulls like a dream, rpms rarely over 2000, and only on a steep uphill. Average mileage so far 33 mph not towing, 19.2 mpg towing (diesel). A couple of caveats: The conector piece under the bumper is European! You have to buy an American adapter for about $65 at the dealership. Also, using sway bars void the warranty, apparently due to the automatic stabilizer. And lastly, the max hitch weight is 616lbs. We are currently over that and looking to switch to one 40gal aluminum propane tank, and possibly 1 6volt battery. Should save us 60-80 lbs. We use the latest Prodigy 2 controller, though tough to figure out where to put the dang thing. Still don't have it calibrated right- cannot get the brakes to lock up to set calibration. But it is working and braking well, we can feel it.
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It is ironic......

that we continue to read about folks that are towing full height TT and are not using a WDH. I believe most of us understand that the WDH would be an added safety feature when towing these weights and sizes.

Heck, back in the 60's my dad towed light weight 15' to 17' TT's and wouldn't leave home without the added safety of a WDH.

Once again, shame on VW for creating this unfortunate dilemma.
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:38 PM   #137
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Each to their own. I can't see spending $50,000 for a tow vehicle that I have to extensively modify so that it can tow a rig within the tow ratings of the vehicle (7700 lbs).

My local Airstream dealer told me that adding a weight distributing hitch to a Touareg may void the warranty. He also told me they would not allow a test drive of an Airstream behind a Touareg. Finally he said they would not attach a brake controller on a Touareg. The dealer is Airstream Adventures Northwest, an exclusive Airstream dealer with locations in Portland and Seattle.

Up to that point I was ready to purchase a Touareg without any hesitation.
We have the 2011 Touareg TDI w/towing package, tow a 19' bambi just fine. Don't have the sway bars, but noticed a post that says you can get a sticker updating that info so your warranty isn't voided. The Salem OBrien's Volkswagen dealership installed our Prodigy brake controller and it seems to work just fine. I think the Touareg is a fine towing vehicle- excellent mileage, great turning radius, and not a huge honking rig that sticks halfway across the lane when it's parked. They're gettting some bad info at the airstream dlrship.
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We tow a 19' Bambi with a 2011 Touareg TDI. We are getting 19.2 miles towing it, and an astounding 33-34 mpg when not towing. Great SUV
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:03 AM   #139
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We bot a 2011 Touareg TDI with towing package and tow a 19' flying cloud. It pulls like a dream, rpms rarely over 2000, and only on a steep uphill. Average mileage so far 33 mph not towing, 19.2 mpg towing (diesel). A couple of caveats: The conector piece under the bumper is European! You have to buy an American adapter for about $65 at the dealership. Also, using sway bars void the warranty, apparently due to the automatic stabilizer. And lastly, the max hitch weight is 616lbs. We are currently over that and looking to switch to one 40gal aluminum propane tank, and possibly 1 6volt battery. Should save us 60-80 lbs. We use the latest Prodigy 2 controller, though tough to figure out where to put the dang thing. Still don't have it calibrated right- cannot get the brakes to lock up to set calibration. But it is working and braking well, we can feel it.
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We have the 2011 Touareg TDI w/towing package, tow a 19' bambi just fine. Don't have the sway bars, but noticed a post that says you can get a sticker updating that info so your warranty isn't voided. The Salem OBrien's Volkswagen dealership installed our Prodigy brake controller and it seems to work just fine. I think the Touareg is a fine towing vehicle- excellent mileage, great turning radius, and not a huge honking rig that sticks halfway across the lane when it's parked. They're gettting some bad info at the airstream dlrship.
Your tongue wight exceeds the 616 lbs on the sticker and in the owner's manual so weight distributing hitch (WDH) or not you are exceeding VW recommended maximum tongue weight. Such a heavy tongue weight without a WDH can be very difficult to tow and could be dangerous as it could cause the front wheels of the tow vehicle to loose their grip on the road and reduce the braking efficiency of the Touareg especially during braking when the trailer tongue will dive and press down even harder increasing the tongue weight even more.

By helping move some of the tongue weight to the tow vehicle's front axle and trailer's axle a WDH would help keep all four wheels of the tow vehicle in contact with the road to provide better handling and control. The fact that VW explicitly does not allow a WDH greatly limits the Touareg's usefulness as a tow vehicle.
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I find it interesting after 8 years owning Touaregs and after 5 years towing Airstreams with Touaregs, that others who have only read about them seem to know more absolute facts then I do.

I give up. You're all on your own here.
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