Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-26-2012, 06:24 AM   #491
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,410
Images: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyair View Post
My 1987 R20 Suburban(3/4T) with TBI 454, TH400HD.
Tow Package, Positraction rear end, and Load leveling airbags...
Dual A/C, and seating for 8.
I think it has a Class V Hitch.



Oh, the thing in front of it is my part built Rotisserie to do my Alfa Spider.
DEAR GOD! a 1987 is vintage? Crap, I'm getting old!
__________________

__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 06:52 AM   #492
2 Rivet Member
 
Bambified's Avatar
 
1962 16' Bambi
Bunnell , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 53
Bambi towed with Nash

This is the tow vehicle for my vintage '62 Bambi. A 1959 Rambler Super Wagon.

I need to upgrade the hitch, though. It is a lightweight Camero hitch and the toungue weight of the Bambi with full tanks has bent down the hitch a little. The motor in this car is a small gas-saving 2.8 liter V-6 from a 1985 Chevy Blazer. I get about 22 mpg when towing the Bambi.

I like the soft round curves of this 2-door Rambler Wagon and its small size, which blend well with the little Bambi.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	tow vehicle.jpg
Views:	77
Size:	161.2 KB
ID:	156785   Click image for larger version

Name:	tow vehicle 4.jpg
Views:	77
Size:	166.0 KB
ID:	156786  

__________________

__________________
Bambified is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 10:33 AM   #493
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
bredlo's Avatar
 
1954 22' Safari
Deerfield , Illinois
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,419
Images: 23
Send a message via AIM to bredlo
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCal Drive View Post
Get yourself a Mopar EFI V8 crate motor and new transmission. Get a modern radiator built, switch the car over to 12 volt, new multi speed wipers, disc brakes, etc, etc, etc...
Great suggestions, this is a new hobby for me, and while I know a little (EFI means electronic fuel injection! ) I have a ton to learn. The items you listed were the first ones that popped into my head, as well.

While I think I'll probably skip the Viper V10 since we don't want a hot rod... a balance of low end torque that will get us through mountain ranges... but decent MPG's would be ideal. I realize those are competing qualities, but there's gotta be a sweet spot along those axis.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnie's Mate View Post
That's going to look soooo sick with the Airstream behind it. Post a photo of the two hitched and ready to go when you finish the upgrades...sweet!
Thank you thank you! We're really psyched too… I can't believe I landed on a body style Melissa (my wife) was happy wtih… she's an interior designer and not easy to impress.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1civilengr View Post
I don't suppose you can wedge a nice 5.9L Cummins Diesel in there? That would definitely give your power! Maybe a smaller Mercedes diesel would be more appropriate?
Thanks Civil, I've given very little thought to them thus far, but I know that everyone I've heard from who tows with modern diesel seems happy enough. A Mercedes blue line (technically still MOPAR, too??!!) could be an extremely cool solution; very sophisticated, quiet, efficient… and expensive.

-------
Anyhow, thanks all - I should probably stop posting here, since this is a group thread. I don't want to hijack it.
__________________
Brad
bredlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 10:35 AM   #494
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
bredlo's Avatar
 
1954 22' Safari
Deerfield , Illinois
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,419
Images: 23
Send a message via AIM to bredlo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bambified View Post
This is the tow vehicle for my vintage '62 Bambi. A 1959 Rambler Super Wagon.

I need to upgrade the hitch, though. It is a lightweight Camero hitch and the toungue weight of the Bambi with full tanks has bent down the hitch a little. The motor in this car is a small gas-saving 2.8 liter V-6 from a 1985 Chevy Blazer. I get about 22 mpg when towing the Bambi.

I like the soft round curves of this 2-door Rambler Wagon and its small size, which blend well with the little Bambi.
Oh my gosh, that's cool. Yeah, beef up that hitch and have a blast!
__________________
Brad
bredlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 11:00 AM   #495
Moderator dude
 
Action's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,069
Images: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by bredlo View Post
Great suggestions, this is a new hobby for me, and while I know a little (EFI means electronic fuel injection! ) I have a ton to learn.
You know if you are gonna do an engine swap to something the vehicle wasn't designed for and you have never done this before. It will be OK after you open your bank account(s) and keep smiling!

Not only do you need to concern yourself with fitting the engine in there. (A new trans for sure and may be rear axle to handle the power from that engine) you will want to upgrade the braking system to handle all of the new power. And then upgrade the suspension to keep all of that running between the lines on the road. Other areas would be steering and electrical.

>>>>>>Action
__________________
1966 Mercury Park Lane 4 DR Breezeway 410 4V, C-6, 2.80 - Streamless.
1966 Lincoln 4 door Convertible 462 4V 1971 Ford LTD Convertible 429 4V Phoenix ~ Yeah it's hot however it's a dry heat!
Action is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 11:16 AM   #496
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
bredlo's Avatar
 
1954 22' Safari
Deerfield , Illinois
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,419
Images: 23
Send a message via AIM to bredlo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Action View Post
..open your bank account and keep smiling!
My "smile" may look similar to this: ...but that's the best I can do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Action View Post
...you need to concern yourself with fitting the engine in there...
The New Yorker version of this car came with a HEMI. My hope is there's room to do almost whatever we want, but I don't know if newer trannys, etc. are larger than their forefathers. Thanks for the tips!
__________________
Brad
bredlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 12:10 PM   #497
2 Rivet Member
 
Currently Looking...
Thousand Oaks , California
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 37
"The New Yorker version of this car came with a HEMI. My hope is there's room to do almost whatever we want, but I don't know if newer trannys, etc. are larger than their forefathers. Thanks for the tips!"

Brad, the new Hemi engine is narrower and much lighter than the old style. Google Mopar crate engines. Plenty of specs, transmissions, etc.
__________________
SoCal Drive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #498
Moderator dude
 
Action's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,069
Images: 13
Start there with a HEMI of that vintage. Get a newer transmission that fit that HEMI may be something in the 60's. At least you will have less engineering to do because the engineering was already done for that model with a bigger engine of the period.

Most modern stuff (after the 80's) will be smaller and lighter. And it still won't fit. Which will require cutting and modification for mounts, exhaust pipes, fuel lines and ?????? If you are going that direction (newer than this generation) Get an entire high mileage (100k miles) doner vehicle that was rear ended and the sheet metal is ugly. You will pay more for low miles and you can cut some of the cost by getting one that has high miles. Face it what ever you do, if you put 50,000 miles after the modification that would be huge so you don't have to spend money on low mileage. And much modern stuff has a expected life of 200,000 miles.

Getting an entire ride means you have all of the engine management pieces. Wiring, sensors, vacuum lines and related parts. Those items will stop your engine and can run a fortune in nickel dime costs. (That's why there are wrecking yards in business!) In addition you might consider taking the front braking, steering and suspension from that ride. At least you have an engineered system. Getting attached to your vintage piece will be a walk into the dark woods as no one has likely done it before. Finding a fabricator to know where to attach systems would be money well spend. No one wants to break down 500 miles from home with a trailer attached in July.

And if it were me, I would stick with the six and find a hefty stick shift to tow an under 20' Airstream. Or modify with period correct pieces. Depending on what you want to tow. And it's your $. As long as you are willing to part with the cash all is good. And know there is a market for anything and everything you take off no matter what the condition. Vintage Chrysler guys (I am not one - check out my signature line) would be very willing to buy any thing you take off no matter how heavy or in any condition.

Good luck!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Action
__________________
1966 Mercury Park Lane 4 DR Breezeway 410 4V, C-6, 2.80 - Streamless.
1966 Lincoln 4 door Convertible 462 4V 1971 Ford LTD Convertible 429 4V Phoenix ~ Yeah it's hot however it's a dry heat!
Action is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #499
Moderator dude
 
Action's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,069
Images: 13
As a post script to the above thread, ths is why I bought the Park Lane in my signature line to go with my Overlander. The Park Lane was set up for towing and was decked out with creature comforts of the period. It has a big V-8, the drive line to take the abuse and is period correct. The only thing (towing wise)I will add is period correct disc brakes. 1966 was the first year for front disc and I bough a '67 Park Lane that had disc brakes and have removed the brake system and some other related pieces. Most of the rest has been sold to pay for the cost of the changes.

I didn't start this way and I have sold over 10 times the cost of this donor vehicle in other parts I did not need. E-bay is a wonderful thing!

>>>>>>>>>Action
__________________
1966 Mercury Park Lane 4 DR Breezeway 410 4V, C-6, 2.80 - Streamless.
1966 Lincoln 4 door Convertible 462 4V 1971 Ford LTD Convertible 429 4V Phoenix ~ Yeah it's hot however it's a dry heat!
Action is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2012, 04:31 AM   #500
Rivet Master
 
Globie64's Avatar
 
1964 19' Globetrotter
The Sea Ranch , California
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,377
Images: 18
Blog Entries: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
Start there with a HEMI of that vintage. Get a newer transmission that fit that HEMI may be something in the 60's. At least you will have less engineering to do because the engineering was already done for that model with a bigger engine of the period.

Most modern stuff (after the 80's) will be smaller and lighter. And it still won't fit. Which will require cutting and modification for mounts, exhaust pipes, fuel lines and ?????? If you are going that direction (newer than this generation) Get an entire high mileage (100k miles) doner vehicle that was rear ended and the sheet metal is ugly. You will pay more for low miles and you can cut some of the cost by getting one that has high miles. Face it what ever you do, if you put 50,000 miles after the modification that would be huge so you don't have to spend money on low mileage. And much modern stuff has a expected life of 200,000 miles.

Getting an entire ride means you have all of the engine management pieces. Wiring, sensors, vacuum lines and related parts. Those items will stop your engine and can run a fortune in nickel dime costs. (That's why there are wrecking yards in business!) In addition you might consider taking the front braking, steering and suspension from that ride. At least you have an engineered system. Getting attached to your vintage piece will be a walk into the dark woods as no one has likely done it before. Finding a fabricator to know where to attach systems would be money well spend. No one wants to break down 500 miles from home with a trailer attached in July.

And if it were me, I would stick with the six and find a hefty stick shift to tow an under 20' Airstream. Or modify with period correct pieces. Depending on what you want to tow. And it's your $. As long as you are willing to part with the cash all is good. And know there is a market for anything and everything you take off no matter what the condition. Vintage Chrysler guys (I am not one - check out my signature line) would be very willing to buy any thing you take off no matter how heavy or in any condition.

Good luck!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Action
Mopars rock! Id go with something with a carburetor and not Efi, simple to fix and less chance for electrical gremlins. It is really wonderful to have something simple to work on. The old hemi will be harder to source parts for- I have a 68 with a 318. Try to find a 340 or 360, something that there are lots of parts for.I think you wouldn't want to add too much to that frame, like a 383, even with a new clip. You're not making a track car or something for short cruises, it has to be reliable to be fun to use for towing. That original semi automatic is nasty! Four speeds and tip toe shift, or whatever Chrysler called it. Also, old disc setups are hard to get parts for, but there are all kinds of swap kits out there. I speak from my own experience with my Dodge. That said your T and C is amazing, and will make a super tow vehicle!
__________________
Wherever you go, there you are
Globie64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2012, 08:15 AM   #501
Rivet Master
 
vswingfield's Avatar
 
1983 34' Excella
1967 24' Tradewind
Little Rock , Arkansas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,773
Images: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Globie64 View Post
...I think you wouldn't want to add too much to that frame, like a 383, even with a new clip...
Big block Chryslers are not heavy engines. They are closer in weight to a small block Chevy. They're actually even easier to work on than a small block Chrysler (or Chevy for that matter). For instance, changing a water pump is a piece of cake compared to most engines.
__________________
Vaughan
vswingfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 06:27 PM   #502
Rivet Master
 
Denis4x4's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,111
Here's a Viper in a '48 Chrysler Town & Country. Chassis is from Art Carr. Used my T&C to haul a 1942 Chris-Craft.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC00108.JPG
Views:	72
Size:	125.8 KB
ID:	157064   Click image for larger version

Name:	MVC-011S (2) (2).JPG
Views:	86
Size:	60.5 KB
ID:	157065  

__________________
Denis4x4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 07:06 PM   #503
Moderator dude
 
Action's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,069
Images: 13
For $16K you could have this delivered. Then let the games begin.

2006 DODGE VIPER SRT-10 PARTS SALVAGE CAR XVIPERS OEM GEN 3 GEN III | eBay

Officially the Viper does not have a tow rating. And that doesn't mean the engine isn't set up for it. Because there is more to a tow rating than an engine. (Suspension, brakes, steering and the frame as well) The Dodge Viper was not designed for towing at all. And I would suspect that engine isn't a great source for towing loads over 2000#s anyway. That is a guess on my part. And it would be very cool and have a lot of appeal. YOu would have to drop some serious coin to make that happen.

And my point is you could drop some serious coin for a pristine stock New Yorker T& C that may fetch $25 to $30K on re-sale. I know you don't have that in mind. Going down that road means you have a one of a kind or nearly one of a kind. And it's only money.

>>>>>Action
__________________
1966 Mercury Park Lane 4 DR Breezeway 410 4V, C-6, 2.80 - Streamless.
1966 Lincoln 4 door Convertible 462 4V 1971 Ford LTD Convertible 429 4V Phoenix ~ Yeah it's hot however it's a dry heat!
Action is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2012, 07:23 PM   #504
Rivet Master
 
Denis4x4's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Action View Post
For $16Gs you could have this delivered. Then let the games begin.

2006 DODGE VIPER SRT-10 PARTS SALVAGE CAR XVIPERS OEM GEN 3 GEN III | eBay

Officially the Viper does not have a tow rating. And that doesn't mean the engine isn't set up for it. There is mor eto a tow rating than an engine. (Suspension, brakes, steering and the frame as well) The Viper was not designed for towing.

>>>>>Action
The first Viper engines were based on the Dodge Truck V-10. Cast in aluminum, a lot of the innards were supplied by speed equipment manufacturers. So, check the tow rating of a '96 Dodge truck and you're in business!
__________________

__________________
Denis4x4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.