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Old 03-22-2007, 03:12 PM   #365
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It has the power rear window. The rear window (technically called the rear backlite) is in 3 pieces. The center section retracts behind the rear seat. The glass on either side of the center section is fixed and not very big.

And it works very well. This body stype was called a Breezeway and was introduced in 1963 and carried to 1966. In 1967 the Breezeway design was similar to previous years, however the window only went down about 2 to 4 inches versus completely retracting down behind the seat.

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More irrelevant and useless tidbits of Ford trivia...

A couple more comments here from the Motor City.... (hehe...)

(I just eat this Ford Corporate History up.....) :^)

Regarding the Marauder name, actually it was used beginning 1958 on the upper lineup of Mercury Engines, namely the all new 430 CI engine... There was even a special 3x2 bbl (Tri-Power) carburetor setup available as a special order on the Montereys and Montclairs and Park Lanes, called the "Super Marauder 430"... This engine was legendary, and potent as all "h-e-double hockey sticks".... Rated at 400 HP. Dean Moon (of "Mooneyes" fame) was given the job of casting the intakes and special aluminum air cleaners, and they even made 250 special jobs destined for the all new Unit-bodied 1958 Lincoln Continental Mark III. Unfortunately the plug was pulled on factory installation for the Lincoln at the 11th hour, and Bill Stroppe who headed Lincoln-Mercury's factory race program was quite perturbed by this decision handed down by Ford brass, and the 250 intake kits went to the dealers strictly as dealer add-on options to the Lincoln. Today, a complete Tri Power setup for a 1958 430 "LINCOLN" can go for $15000 on up. The Merc setup is a bit more common, (not much) but are still valued at $5000 on up.

Regarding that absolute BRAINSTORM Breezeway back window on the Mercs...(Also they were a Continental option in 58-60) I had two of them, in Mercs....one in a '65 Montclair, and the last one was in a '64 Park Lane. I always thought it was the greatest invention in Automotive design since the electric starter. Great in the winter for keeping the windows fog free, great for smokers, as the smoke sails right out the back, and awesome for cross flow ventilation in any climate. Actually, the Breezeway Window was the brainstorm of a guy at Ford named Francis J. (Jack) Reith.
Jack will go down in history as being the original father of the 1957 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser, and he was one of Henry Ford II's original 12 "Whiz Kids" brought into the company after WWII to save the company from the senile old HF Sr, and his "less than honorable" sidekick Harry Bennett.

Anyways, Jack Reith was the brainchild behind the Breezeway Window, and it appeared on both the 1957 and the 1958 model year Mercurys. It disappeared after 58, and as Action mentioned, and reappeared as an option for 1963, and continued as a popular option thru 1966.

A sad epilogue to the Jack Reith story though, after the dismal failure of the Turnpike Cruiser sales wise, Jack was "transferred" to Ford of Europe as head of Design, which he considered a real slap on the wrist, and he became so depressed over this that by 1959 or 60, he committed suicide at his home in France.
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:38 AM   #367
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Scott,

If you haven't read it this book, it outlines the above. The Whiz Kids, by John A. Byrne. It's a good read if you are into history of Ford corporate after the war. (And I am)

The last version of the 430, a MEL engine, (MEL = Mercury, Edsel, Lincon) is the 462. And that is what's in my '66 Lincoln 4 door convertible. And if you haven't guessed it I have this '66 thing going on.

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The last few nights I've been surfing through so many sites. I think I've fallen in love about 25 times in the last 48 hours. Convertibles, wagons, burbs, sedans, I pause over each new love and remember people, places, things I haven't thought of in years. One of my (many) problems is that I don't know which sites I can trust. I feel like I need to find a place close to home so I can go out and inspect it, touch it, drive it. One place I drive by everyday, however, is Sales body but I'm guessing they're way out of my league.
File this under unsolicited advice from someone who just did the same thing:

1. Pick your vehicle first. The rest falls into place. For me it was all about Imperials. This is my third mid 60's Chrysler full size convertible. I couldn't imagine another way to fly. (Well, ok more like float.)

2. Do the research and join the club! There's a club for every enthusiast and any of the tow vehicles you are considering are no exception. In my experience, the Imperial Club has been a wonderful resource of opinion and expertise. You don't have to know how to take apart the carburetor... but you should know when your local mechanic is taking advantage of you. The Imperial Club has been invaluable here.

3. Buy the car from/through a club member. Club members take pride in their vehicles and are more likely to have better examples of the car you really did fall in love with. (I bought both of my imperials from/through club members and i wish i would have done so with my 1965 Chrysler 300L convertible.) If you find that eBay gem, you might find a member near the subject car. Any enthusiast will be thrilled to help you out in the pursuit of your next toy.

4. Go see it where it is or have it appraised. There's no substitue for touch or feel, regardless of the seller. I used an appraiser for both Imperials and i wish i would have thought about that with the 300L. (BOY. Did i learn the hard way on that car.)

5. Ship the car to your house or tow it home. I had quite the adventure bringing the 300L from Western NC to Miami without a safety net. the shipping costs were much lower than the aggrivation of driving cross country in a 40 year old car that i didn't know.

4. Have fun! A vintage car is meant to be driven, so drive and drive often! Just get good insurance. Collector car insurance is CHEAP compared to every day drivers. There are a few restrictions (locked garage storage at night), but nothing that will keep you from enjoying the ride.

If you want indepth information on how i bought and configured my 1968 Imperial Convertible for the cross country mid-life crisis tour of america, let me know. I have all my research.

You too could look like this:
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:23 PM   #369
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Good picture, you should put that in the photo of the month thread as an entry.

Also good suggestions.

Here's some info as well that may be helpful. What I've done when buying a car a long distance away is arranged with the local dealer (e.g. 70 Chevelle = GM new car dealer) to send a mechanic to inspect it, only because the car was mid way through a restoration and was not capable of being driven to their garage. Others I've had the seller take it to the dealer and at my expense had the car safetied and inspected as if the owner of the dealership were buying it. I've had great success with this and it's typically cost me $200 or less, all agreed to up front. I've asked for their opinion on whether the car is capable of being driven the distance to my home, what issues they see with it, and asked for a common sense look at the car. As for value, I determine that because it's really between what I and the seller have already agreed unless the car turns out through this inspection to be less than stated by the seller. I have even had the mechanic in one situation mention that he was aware of a similar car in their town in far nicer condition and more options I could get for probably the same money and he put me in touch with those folks. He was right, it was a real good car and I was very happy.

I've driven cars home and I've had to tow some but it just depends on the distance, the costs to go and get it, and how much time I have. In the recent past we've found that a running car can be shipped right across the country often for in the $1,000.00 range. For the right car it suddenly eliminates the distance factor for getting it home.

Just my experiences here, not saying this is the way everyone should do it, but it has worked very well for me. And yes, I have bought a lot of cars over the years and have only had a couple of situations where what I got was less than what I'd thought I bought.

It's a fun thing to do, and as Javier says, do your homework. It has been said before but the rule of thumb is to buy the best one you can find and don't settle for less. The various websites will give you a ton of info on what to look for, why not to buy certain models, and provide a ton of support for anything that comes up.

One caution, eBay has some good and some bad deals, but so far the majority of the people I'm aware of who have purchased a car off eBay who have not had it inspected first or are buying from someone with low ratings (less than 98% on large volume) have had at least some level of disappointment.

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To all - your words of advice are all well taken. I have printed this thread and will keep it as a handy reference as I continue on my quest to find the perfect mate for my painted Argosy and my family's needs.

Now time for another one of my famously dumb questions: Is your vintage tow vehicle your main TV or is it more of a "parade" TV that only gets used on the "lighter duty" trips?

Do I get rid of the Tahoe and keep the BMW convertible or get rid of the BMW and keep theTahoe?
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Do I get rid of the Tahoe and keep the BMW convertible or get rid of the BMW and keep theTahoe?
Here is a cool video clip of a 3 series Bimmer convert towing a TT. Note no WDH!

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Same car. Same color. Bigger mirrors.
I don't think I have the stones for it though.
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To all - your words of advice are all well taken. I have printed this thread and will keep it as a handy reference as I continue on my quest to find the perfect mate for my painted Argosy and my family's needs.

Now time for another one of my famously dumb questions: Is your vintage tow vehicle your main TV or is it more of a "parade" TV that only gets used on the "lighter duty" trips?

Do I get rid of the Tahoe and keep the BMW convertible or get rid of the BMW and keep theTahoe?
My '57 is my primary tow vehicle and has been for 25 years. As the trailers got bigger we added disc brakes, and immediately after I got the car running I put a trans cooler on it. We put a lot of miles on it every year, often 5 to 7 thousand. We do have a truck but we seldom use it for towing because the '57 is so much fun. I'm not afraid to take the '57 anywhere and the only thing I don't like to drive it in is snow.

As to your question of what to sell and what to keep, now that's a difficult question only you can decide. My wife has her BMW and I have the truck for our ugly weather stuff but when we are towing or for evening and weekend travel that's not "formal" we use the '57. I'll soon add the 70 SS Chevelle to the mix although I am not intending to use it as a tow vehicle at this point anyways. It will though take over a lot of the untethered pleasure driving just because it's fresh and we are excited to have another one. When retirement hits we'll downsize to the '57 and the BMW (or that's the current thought) and the '57 will be my daily driver. As for the Chevelle the way they are appreciating I won't be able to insure it for regular driving. It's crazy......
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Now time for another one of my famously dumb questions: Is your vintage tow vehicle your main TV or is it more of a "parade" TV that only gets used on the "lighter duty" trips?

Do I get rid of the Tahoe and keep the BMW convertible or get rid of the BMW and keep theTahoe?
The answer to your question likely has several variables. In my case, the '75 Cadillac Eldorado and '65 Dodge Coronet 500 Convertibles are both insured under collector vehicle policies that place an annual mileage limit of 3,000 miles on each vehicle along with certain restrictions for their use -- I had to switch collector vehicle insurance companies once becasue the carrier refused to cover a vehicle used to tow any kind of trailer. My current insurer requires advance notification of extended trips with the trailer in tow so that a rider can be secured. Local trips and those that won't push the odometer beyond the magic 3,000 haven't had to be reported as long as they involve attending a rally or some other club-related activity.

A second reason that my collector cars aren't primary tow vehciles for my trailers is that when a part breaks on one of these cars, finding a replacement can be quite time consuming (it has taken more than two years to locate a set of OEM wheels that are straight-and-true for the Eldorado). It took more than five weeks to secure replacement rear wheel brake cylinders on the '65 Dodge as they were unique to the series and model that year (a special heavy-duty option).

I love towing with my collector vehicles, but if I am pressed for time, I am more comfortable with my '99 GMC K2500 Suburban. The Suburban has had several minor problems while traveling, but every one of them has been successfully and quickly repaired by the nearest GMC or Chevrolet dealer. Friends have expressed reservations about my continuing to rely upon the Suburban as it has passed the 180,000 mile mark -- high-miles cars have never worried me when I know the vehicle's background -- and I have owned the Suburban since it was new (my first drive was before it was pre-delivered as my salesman knew how anxious I was to take delivery after waiting for the truck to be built to my order).

Good luck with your search!

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Well, as one last addendum to what my fellow 1977 Lincoln TownHouse owner Bill K. said.....

After winning the Industrial Design Excellence award for the 1961 Continental, Engel was lured away from Ford to Chrysler in late 61 where he promptly took the top job in Design there, and immediately began designing the all new Imperial Crown for '64.... Rumor has it with the insiders at Ford back in the day that this car was a duplicate to Elwood's original proposal for the 1964 Continental, but somehow, he snuck his entire portfolio out the gates with him on his last day at Ford. Hmmm......
My imperial the 67-68 was the last Engel designes for Chrysler...
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which to keep? Which to haul?

Keep them all if you can afford it.

My daily car is a 2003 VW GTI VR6. I was lucky to be able to pay it off early and my office is only 1.5 miles from home, so with only 20K on the odo, the GTI will be my car at home.

For now, the Imperial is the only tow vehicle and it has long beed my dream to travel the country in a vintage convertible. In fact, i bought the airstream so that when (not if) i have problems on the road, i'll at least have a place to live while i can sort out the car. I'm ok for time, since my trip should span 6-24 months.

My next vehicle will be something new and capable of towing... Probably a VW Touareg V10 TDI.

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Craftsman... That looks like a 1.275L Cooper S. My buddy had one back in the early 70's. He made a lot of money racing against small block Mustangs and Cameros. Niether had a chance against him in the 1/4 mile or on a road course. Its a little light duty for an Airstream though.
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