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Old 01-23-2004, 08:58 PM   #29
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Andrew- yes, how are you ?
On vintage vehicles how did you make out on the Travelall lead ?
I noticed it was still there a couple of months back .
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Old 01-24-2004, 05:59 PM   #30
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Here is our Vintage Hauler Lot's of room for cargo too

BTW at around 8.5 mpg it helps to take out a bank loan before you leave home. LOL


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Old 01-25-2004, 05:01 AM   #31
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From the time I purchased my 1st
Airstream (a 1951, 21ft.) in 1986 until I replaced it with my current 1969 Caravel, about 10 years ago, I used a 1955 Chevy Nomad wagon as my tow car.
I loved it 'cause the combination made for such a unique camping rig.
I still have the Nomad but haven't towed with it for a few years. It would still haul my small trailer down the highway but I guess age has caught up with me and I have now become used to a tow vehicle with air-conditioning, automatic transmission, etc.
I'll dig around and see if I can find a picture of this setup to post.
I'm presently working to restore my 1950 Willys Jeepster and plan to use it to pull locally, on short trips, near home.
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Old 01-26-2004, 02:54 PM   #32
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Murry , I ended up buying that yellow Travelall (posted above) in Wisconsin at the end of June and driving it back to L.A. A bit of rust, not too bad and Ive spent a bit on the transmission and other parts to get it safer to drive around. Now Im just gonna do a slow restoration over the next few years, nothin fancy like a frame off or anything, just get it mechanically sound and add AC and some upholstery here and there, upgrade a few things. I hope all is well 'round the lake
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Old 01-26-2004, 03:43 PM   #33
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Here's our vintage tow vehicle. 1966 F100 4wd, 4spd, 352 V-8 and only 24,000 original miles. I wish it had A/C.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:46 PM   #34
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Here is our outfit. 1958 Cadillac and '58 Flying Cloud somewher on the Oregon trail 2008.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:27 PM   #35
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Vintage Tow Vehicle

The combination below is the one that I took to the WBCCI International Rally in Bozeman, Montana this past summer. The thirty-three-year-old Cadillac Eldorado towed my Argosy just short of 4,000 miles and the only mechanical failure that disrupted travel was a failed alternator on my first day out.



The photo above was taken in Yellowstone National Park when I was on my way to the KOA campground where the VAC was to have their pre-rally. The down-side to a post 1973 vehicle is that it may have "Endura" fender extensions that tend to rapidly disintegrate as they become older. My Cadillac left one in each of the first three states through which we traveled -- just flaked apart as we drove down the road -- only had one that made the whole trip and is still on the car. I ordered the incorrect spinners and beauty rings so no wheel trim for this trip -- just the newly resorted (straightened and trued) OEM wheels with a fresh powder-coat finish. Fun trip -- and with Cadillac or any of the other luxury makes air conditioning was a common feature by the 1960s. My top was down more than the air conditioner was used -- but the air conditioner is fully functional. The old 8.2 Liter V8 just purred throughout the entire trip -- it has never learned to sip its fuel, however.

The Eldorado will be earning its keep next summer towing my Overlander to the International Rally in Madison, Wisconsin (only 600 miles one-way for this Rally).

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Old 01-18-2009, 05:07 PM   #36
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The lack of AC is a downer, but it depends on where you live. In Maryland, I couldn't live without AC. In In Montana (my native home), I didn't mind running the '52 Chevy. I made a little run on a '66 Dodge D200 on Ebay, but I hate buying sight unseen. We're definitely going to run a truck. I'd prefer 4WD. Vintage would be nice, but maybe I should finish the Overlander renovations before I take on another project... but where's the fun in that.
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Old 01-18-2009, 05:30 PM   #37
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Saw this nice old Chrysler on Kijiji as I was viewing the Classic car tab. Bet it would look great in front of a Bullet.

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Old 01-18-2009, 07:33 PM   #38
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The lack of AC is a downer, but it depends on where you live. In Maryland, I couldn't live without AC. In In Montana (my native home), I didn't mind running the '52 Chevy. I made a little run on a '66 Dodge D200 on Ebay, but I hate buying sight unseen. We're definitely going to run a truck. I'd prefer 4WD. Vintage would be nice, but maybe I should finish the Overlander renovations before I take on another project... but where's the fun in that.
There are several companies who offer very effective and efficient after market A/C kits. The one that comes immediately to mind is Vintage Air, but there are several others, so don't let the lack of A/C get in the way.

You are right though, too many projects at one time can be disastrous. I've seen a lot of folks stall out on multiple projects and sadly nothing ever gets done properly. IMHO, finish or get darned close to finishing the trailer, then you can focus more effectively on the TV. I too am very reluctant to buy long distance. I've seen folks win and others lose and the way my luck runs I'd be one of the losers on the deal.

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Old 01-18-2009, 08:56 PM   #39
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I envy all of you with vintage tow vehicles and want one so bad I can almost taste it but still helping kids with university etc. Unfortunately, I'm a totally non-mechanical kind of guy so, if I ever get one it will have to be in premium condition. My AS is a '72 25 foot Tradewind and I think it would be great to pair it up with a tow car the same year-maybe a Chevy Caprice , or Olds. Anyway if it ever does come to pass I'll be looking for lots of advice from all you who are mechanically inclined so we can enjoy trouble free trailering.(Currently towing with a 76 Chevy pickup with a 350- but it's getting tired) For
all of you who are lucky enough to have the classic vehicles- keep the picture coming!
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:36 AM   #40
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will be towing with my 1957 Imperial
hope the old 392 hemi will do the job
If I had to chose any 1957 car to tow a trailer the Imperial would be #1 on the list.

Reason #1, the hemi head V8. The most powerful engine available but also extremely strong and durable. The hemi head design also gives exceptionally good valve cooling and resistance to knocking under heavy loads.

#2 the 3 speed Torqueflite transmission, new for 1957, the best automatic transmission made at the time, and copied later by both GM and Ford.

#3 Torsion bar suspension can be adjusted to trim up your rig and get it perfectly balanced.

#4 Chrysler engineering was about the best in the industry at that time so any Chrysler built car would be a good choice.

# 5 The Imperial was the biggest and best Chrysler so it would be the ultimate of the Chrysler line.

By the way if your car has the original engine it's a 354. They didn't go to a 392 until the following year. Don't let that bother you, it will have all the power you need.
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:37 PM   #41
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I'm a truck guy through and through. My dad owned a '57 Chevy Belair that would have pulled the Airstream... but I'm not sure it would have the most stable towing rig. I'm not a fan of older automatic transmission. I think the manuals just work better unless you want to swap in a new engine/tranny combo.
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Saw this nice old Chrysler on Kijiji as I was viewing the Classic car tab. Bet it would look great in front of a Bullet.

Yup, that '68 Imp coupe would be "ultimate" in my book. A friend of mine owned an unmolested, loaded '67. We scaled it with him in it and full fuel. Came to 5,270-lbs, the same as my 2001 Dodge half-ton.

That Imperial has it all, IMO: low weight, low-center-of-gravity (engine is set back farther, and lower, than a GM or Ford as the torsion bar suspension loads the LOWER control arm instead of the upper), better F/R balance, bullet-proof drivetrain, and the 127" wheelbase unibody that was banned from demolition derby competition as it was indestructible. Plus, the rear axle was located with a Panhard Rod.

Just need to get the optional Trailer Towing torsion bars from a '69 Imperial, and up the rear gears from 2.94 to 3.23 limited slip. And the heads and camshaft from the optional '69 New Yorker motor; add backcut valves and a little clean up with 8.8:1 true compression. Still some KONI shock absorbers for these, out there, last I looked.

Only downfall on a big Chrysler was the steering. Trailing type, versus the later GM leading type. Both were Saginaw-sourced, but unfortunately Mopar never went with a variable-ratio pump.

Then this car would be almost as hot as the Monaco my grandparents used, and not a lot heavier. But it would have those fantastic leather seats, the best I've ever rode in, and the better front end geometry that Imperial -- as a separate car line -- had over Chrysler. Imperials were simply fantastic road cars.

And what the youngsters don't know is that with that long wheelbase -- and the driver being low in relation to it -- is that one's tailbone was nearly five feet back from the front wheel centerline. Incredible ride. And it was, from the drivers head, about nine feet in either direction to the opposite-side fender tip.

My buddy's '67 turned 16 mpg at 70 mph. And would scoot past 110 mph (GPS corrected) faster than a few 'vette drivers could imagine. Took 'em a while to get fully past . . . .

(And some trivia: We took the BUDD disc brakes off to be shipped off for a rebuild at a specialist. Unsprung weight was FORTY FIVE POUNDS for those discs & calipers. Each side!)
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