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Old 11-28-2011, 01:50 PM   #239
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I just aquired this beast for a TV for my 73 Excella. I think the 460 cubes under the hood should pull it down the road.
No problem with the tail wagging the dog either as I'm guessing the car weighs nearly as much as the trailer.
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I'm flying out Sunday to drive it home from Florida.
I had the car inspected locally by a friend of mine and it is mint and in excellent mechanical condition too. It should make the 1300 mile journey no problem except for numerous stops for fuel.
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:52 PM   #240
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What year? Lincolns are great tow vehicles.

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I just aquired this beast for a TV for my 73 Excella. I think the 460 cubes under the hood should pull it down the road.
No problem with the tail wagging the dog either as I'm guessing the car weighs nearly as much as the trailer.
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I'm flying out Sunday to drive it home from Florida.
I had the car inspected locally by a friend of mine and it is mint and in excellent mechanical condition too. It should make the 1300 mile journey no problem except for numerous stops for fuel.
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What year? Lincolns are great tow vehicles.

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Hi Bill it's a 1973 Lincoln Town Car of course. I'm slowly building matching set ups for all my trailers.
I'm still searching for the right deal on a 1961 Lincoln Continental 4 Dr convertible and the ever elusive 1947 Lincoln Continental 2 Dr convertible.
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I understand your need for a 1961 Lincoln, but I prefer the 1964. Nicer dash and the wheelbase is 4" or so longer, all in the back seat.

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Hi Bill it's a 1973 Lincoln Town Car of course. I'm slowly building matching set ups for all my trailers.
I'm still searching for the right deal on a 1961 Lincoln Continental 4 Dr convertible and the ever elusive 1947 Lincoln Continental 2 Dr convertible.
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Old 11-28-2011, 03:58 PM   #243
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I just aquired this beast for a TV for my 73 Excella. I think the 460 cubes under the hood should pull it down the road.
No problem with the tail wagging the dog either as I'm guessing the car weighs nearly as much as the trailer.
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I'm flying out Sunday to drive it home from Florida.
I had the car inspected locally by a friend of mine and it is mint and in excellent mechanical condition too. It should make the 1300 mile journey no problem except for numerous stops for fuel.
I am sure that you will enjoy towing your Excella with the Lincoln! As with my Eldorado, I am sure you will become familiar with many fuel suppliers along your route -- particularly when you are towing. It became more than interesting a few times in the Rocky Mountains when towing to the WBCCI International Rally in Bozeman, Montana with my Eldorado -- wondering whether the 27 gallon fuel tank had enough range to make it to the next town with fuel at slightly under 7 MPG.

If you decide to chronicle your retrieval adventure on the Forums, I will be one of the avid followers of your new adventure.

Good luck with your retrieval adventure!

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The 460 can be a great motor. Too bad it debuted in the smog years. The engines are de-tuned by retarded camshaft via timing chain (with nylon gears), IIRC.

I'd expect 12-14 mpg solo.

Sure a great looking example!
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:42 AM   #245
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Thanks Kevin

Yes...I also may have mis spoke. The 67-70 that I am looking for is basically a DeVille convertable and yes, it is rear wheel drive. I think the FWD would not be enough for a 31'


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Greetings Neil!

Welcome to the Forums and the world of Vintage Airstream Ownership!



I have towed rather extensively with my '75 Cadillac Edlorado Convertible. Your Excella 500 would concern me from the standpoint of weight. The trailer tow rating of the 1973-1978 Eldorados was 6,000 pounds. While my '75 does well with my '64 Overlander, I wouldn't want to tow any more weight with the car as it does struggle more than I would like in the hills.

One of the greatest limitations that I know of is the final drive ratio. With the 1967 Eldorado, my understanding is that 3.07 or 3.05 was the only final drive ratio available. This is somewhat better than the 2.70 that became stock in the 1973 and later Eldorados. Changing the final drive ratio is economically difficult to justify. Hitch adjustment is paramount with an Eldorado as it is very easy to loose traction at the front wheels if there is insufficient weight being transferred forward by the weight distributing hitch.

It is possible to beef up the transmission/final drive as it is shared with the GMC Motorhome of the mid-1970s. The TurboHydramatic 425 is the same front wheel drive setup utilized in the GMC Motorhome . . . so there are some heavy duty components available that are interchangeable.






I had to go through the following to get my '75 Eldorado tow-ready:
  • Custom 4-row-core Heavy Duty Radiator
  • Heavy duty transmission fluid cooler
  • Moog Cargo Coil replacement rear springs
  • Monroe (rear) air shocks (car had factory level-ride)
  • AirLift (rear) spring inserts (inflated to 15 psi for additional stability)
  • Four Rebuilt stock Steel Wheels (these wheels are notorious for being out-of-round and/or being bent) I even tried to find aftermarket wheels, but none are currently available with the correct offset, size, and weight rating to permit towing with the Cadillac.
  • New Monroe front shocks.
  • Front torsion bars adjusted for maximum lift. Ideally, I would have preferred new torsion bars but none were available according to my extensive search.
  • Heavy duty alternator . . . went with one that was normally utilized in the P30 motorhome . . . . made the car much happier when towing in city traffic.
  • Heavy duty starter . . . went with one designed for the P30 motorhome chassis . . . eliminated hot start difficulties following fueling stops.
  • Installed complete dual exhaust system including dual catalytic converters . . . this wouldn't be an issue with your 1967 or pre-1975 Eldorados.
  • Custom Welder-Fabricated Reese Hitch. This was the most difficult obstacle as it was a major multi-month search to find a welder who was willing to custom-fabricate a hitch
  • Hayes-Lemmerz Electronic Trailer Brake Controller with optional remote control button.
  • Five 245/75-R-15 special limousine tires . . . needed for additional weight carrying capacity when towing.
The only thing that your 1967 might require that my '75 didn't would be valve seat inserts. I don't believe that GM started utilizing hardened valve seat for no-lead or low-lead fuels until 1971. If the valve seats aren't hardened for no-lead fuels, valve recission would likely become a problem rather quickly particularly when towing a 31' Airstream.

I owned my '75 Eldorado prior to the purchase of my Airstream so I pressed it into service as a tow vehicle. Had I purchased the Cadillac after the Airstream, I would have held out for a 1970 Cadillac DeVille Convertible. The DeVille provides the option of changing differential gearing very easily when compared to the Eldorado . . . and there are far fewer "unique" parts on the DeVille that can be an issue when being utilized as a tow vehicle . . . the wheels are a much more readily available size and offset . . . and there are a number of possibilities available in the aftermarket.

The photo below is of my Eldorado towing the Overlander for the first time . . . we had just completed a 200 mile trip returning from having the Reese hitch properly installed by Ace Fogdall RV in Cedar Falls, Iowa:



The photo below is of the Eldorado several years later. The wheels are aftermarket Boyd Coddington Wheels . . . they improved the solo performance of the car, but there was insufficient clearance for the the wheel/tire combination when towing.



Overall, I am happy with my Eldorado as a tow vehicle for my Minuet, but I would only consider it marginal for my Overlander. My longest trip was with the Minuet in 2008 . . . we traveled from Carbondale, IL to the WBCCI International Rally in Bozeman, Mt. During that trip, we encountered numerous steep grades (included Yellowstone National Park and Glacier National Park in the tour) and the combination was able to handle grades . . . steepest in 1st gear at 25 MPH. For the trip, fuel economy varied from 6 MPG to 10 MPG while towing.

Good luck with your research and investigation!

Kevin

P.S.: I hope that I didn't jump the gun. It just occurred to me that 1967 might have been the last year for the rear-wheel-drive Eldorado.
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I am sure that you will enjoy towing your Excella with the Lincoln! As with my Eldorado, I am sure you will become familiar with many fuel suppliers along your route -- particularly when you are towing. It became more than interesting a few times in the Rocky Mountains when towing to the WBCCI International Rally in Bozeman, Montana with my Eldorado -- wondering whether the 27 gallon fuel tank had enough range to make it to the next town with fuel at slightly under 7 MPG.

If you decide to chronicle your retrieval adventure on the Forums, I will be one of the avid followers of your new adventure.

Good luck with your retrieval adventure!

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I know the feeling. Our Buick 455 has a 25 gallon tank and a fuel gauge that 'hangs' up. Until I get to pulling the tank to replace the fuel sender I have to trust the odometer. Ive gotten very good at knowing just when to look for a service station. On trips that I am unfamiliar with, like the locales of service stations I pack 2 extra gallons in the trunk. Not too wild about that but it did save us once. I noticed one adaption of a jeep can behind the propane tanks on the tongue......I gotta put that suggestion outta my head. I'm using 1000# WDH bars now.
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:38 PM   #248
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Need Vintage Insurance for my Vintage Tow Vehicle

Just got a new tow rig, 1959 GMC 100S Fleetside w stock 336 and "Hydramatic". My "regular" car insurance (Hartford via AARP) will only insure it for original sticker price ($2,700 in '59). I contacted Hagerty and was denied since I (stupidly) admitted to wanting to use it to tow, and was going to keep it in my carport. They won't let you tow, and want a full, lockable garage. How do you classic car people get insurance to use with your bitchin' trailers?

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Old 12-25-2013, 05:56 PM   #249
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Hi Bill it's a 1973 Lincoln Town Car of course. I'm slowly building matching set ups for all my trailers.
I'm still searching for the right deal on a 1961 Lincoln Continental 4 Dr convertible and the ever elusive 1947 Lincoln Continental 2 Dr convertible.
Send me a PM as my neighbor has a '47 Continental convertable with late model Ford running gear for sale. This is an outstanding cair inside and out.
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Old 12-25-2013, 06:36 PM   #250
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I contacted Hagerty and was denied since I (stupidly) admitted to wanting to use it to tow, and was going to keep it in my carport...
Not stupid at all: if you got in a fender bender while towing and hadn't told 'em, they'd fight tooth and nail against paying the claim anyhow. I'm sure it'd be in the fine print as well, which you'd have to sign.

I looked at a dozen insurers - classic and non - and they all said the same thing: if I tow with an old car, they have nothing for me. Oddly, a few weeks ago I heard through the Tin Can Tourists' Facebook page that Hagerty is thinking about adding coverage for vintage trailers. I'm not sure, though, if that means they'd insure a vintage vehicle while towing too, though.

I did find out, for our situation, that Progressive will insure a vintage vehicle and vintage trailer, being used simultaneously - for an agreed value. So once we're finished with everything and have all the receipts, if I can get them to agree to our dollar figure - and that others would be covered if we cause an accident, for example - I'd give that a try. I'll try to remember to post an update when I'm further along in the process.

Regardless, surely others must've figured something out by now, considering the incredible rigs you see at the Pismo Beach vintage trailer rallies!
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Brad,
Thanks for the info! My initial internet search did point me to Progressive, but their website mentions that their classic division is "powered by Hagerty..." so I went directly to H, first. Interesting to note that they might be the ones that can help us.
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Also, crazy in this insurance game, Hartford was more than happy to insure my 58 Flying Cloud for "agreed value" without any discussion or valuation hoops through which I had to jump.
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