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Denis4x4 · 06-29-2013, 07:58 AM

Chrysler adds diesel engine to light-duty Ram | The Detroit News

zzlay · 06-29-2013, 08:09 AM

Long overdue.

**DKB_SATX** · 06-29-2013, 08:31 AM

The news is that they've finally announced the price difference for the VM Motori diesel, $2850. They've been talking about the half-ton diesel for a while now.

Wazbro · 06-29-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

The news is that they've finally announced the price difference for the VM Motori diesel, $2850. They've been talking about the half-ton diesel for a while now.

In another thread that was the price difference from the V6 gas motor, not a realistic price comparison if you are looking for a TV. Less then half that price difference from the 5.7 Hemi.

Denis4x4 · 06-29-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wazbro

In another thread that was the price difference from the V6 gas motor, not a realistic price comparison if you are looking for a TV. Less then half that price difference from the 5.7 Hemi.

Reread the Detoit News story....$2850 price is the upcharge from a hemi. The hemi is $1700 and change up charge fom the base V-6. In other words, the diesel is about a $4500 premium. The 2014 Grand Cherokee is showing the same diesel with a $4000 premium. Production delivery on the diesel GC was moved from last April until late in the third quarter of this year. Depending on what blogs you read, delay is blamed on EPA regs.

Wazbro · 06-29-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Denis4x4

Reread the Detoit News story....$2850 price is the upcharge from a hemi. The hemi is $1700 and change up charge fom the base V-6. In other words, the diesel is about a $4500 premium. The 2014 Grand Cherokee is showing the same diesel with a $4000 premium. Production delivery on the diesel GC was moved from last April until late in the third quarter of this year. Depending on what blogs you read, delay is blamed on EPA regs.

Sorry, I remembered it wrong (forgot it was that much) the other thread did say $4000 to go from the gas V6 to the diesel for the GC. When the upcharge was mentioned without saying what the upgrade was from I thought it was from the base engine like first posted on the other thread.

JFScheck · 06-30-2013, 06:28 AM

The issue with the 1500 (or an F-150) for most of us is still going to be max payload... ;(

Road Ruler · 06-30-2013, 06:32 AM

The F150 with max payload option gets the payload number quite high.

Perhaps the Ram with that V6 engine will have such an option. It would be the smart thing for Dodge to do.

Taylormade · 06-30-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Denis4x4

Depending on what blogs you read, delay is blamed on EPA regs.

That's what put the hurt on International's 6.0 for Ford. They'd be wise to wait if it means doing some serious testing of whatever last minute changes they make to accomodate the EPA.

Larry C · 07-10-2013, 01:36 PM

For whatever it's worth, I'll stay with my old 2003 Dodge/Cummins....

Goin camping · 08-20-2013, 08:58 AM

Anyone have any specs on this new Ram?

Lance M · 08-20-2013, 10:06 AM

2014 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel V6 | Diesel Engine Truck | RAM Trucks

2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel gets 9,200-pound tow rating - Autoblog

#9,200 towing capacity.

Goin camping · 08-20-2013, 04:20 PM

Thanks Top!

Denis4x4 · 08-20-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry C

For whatever it's worth, I'll stay with my old 2003 Dodge/Cummins....

You can always trade it in on a Nissan 2015 with a Cummins turbo V-8 diesel scheduled for next year!

Seems that Nissan was going to share the Fiat diesl with Ram, but it never happened. Ram guy moved over to Nissan recently and the result is a turbo V-8 Cummins Diesel.

switz · 08-20-2013, 08:32 PM

Tow capacity of 9,200 sounds nice, but payload will be the Achilles heel at 1,650 pounds or so. My 1,200 pound tongue weight would allow just me and the wife and one of two generators with virtually no spare gasoline.....

JFScheck · 08-20-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by switz

Tow capacity of 9,200 sounds nice, but payload will be the Achilles heel at 1,650 pounds or so.

Precisely my point!

slowmover · 08-22-2013, 10:57 AM

Payload "restriction" depends on TW after weight-distribution is factored in.

A 900-lb TW might be from 550-lbs to 675-lbs on the tow vehicle. Or, a 1,200-lb TW from 720-lbs to 900-lbs. There are two TV axles to distribute that remaining weight onto . . . and not everyone carries firewood and a mechanics shop in their pickups, either.

The range of possible TT's, possible loads and possible owners (type of trips, duration, etc) means this 1/2T may well be a good choice for those willing to pay the premium over the Hemi.

TT aero, COG and hitch-rigging all mean more than weight, per se, for getting down the road.

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BAB · 08-22-2013, 05:50 PM

Since I've ordered a 2014 Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie with the Cummins 6.7, I've been following the Cummins and RAM forums. The new Ecoboost is not yet available on the 1500, even though production of the 2014's is underway. A lot of very unhappy folks that the Nissan PU will be getting the small Cummins next year. Guess since Fiat "owns" Chrysler they made the corporate decision to put the Italian diesel in the Ram 1500.

**DKB_SATX** · 08-22-2013, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BAB

Since I've ordered a 2014 Ram 2500 4x4 Laramie with the Cummins 6.7, I've been following the Cummins and RAM forums. The new Ecoboost is not yet available on the 1500, even though production of the 2014's is underway. A lot of very unhappy folks that the Nissan PU will be getting the small Cummins next year. Guess since Fiat "owns" Chrysler they made the corporate decision to put the Italian diesel in the Ram 1500.

I think part of the reason they chose the VM Motori V6 is probably a favorable price (given their interest in VM Motori) but a big part is also likely to be inventory and distribution. The VM Motori was also going in a Jeep already, and the V8 Cummins would be wild overkill for a Jeep. The output of the V6 is more than competitive for a half-ton, and having 2 engines instead of 3 benefits Ram/Jeep dealers and manufacturing.

Even at comparable displacements, fewer cylinders generally can result in better fuel economy. With both smaller displacement AND fewer cylinders, I'm guessing the VM Motori engine will return better fuel economy than the V8 Cummins in comparable vehicles, at least in city and highway driving. The extra headroom of the V8 might offer some benefits when towing heavy, though.

crispyboy · 08-23-2013, 07:58 AM

I think Chrysler has not allowed the bean counters and the marketing folks to communicate properly on this issue. I am certain it will save some money in the short term by putting a VM engine in both vehicles but I think this is a big mistake from a marketing aspect (people who buy trucks). The Cummins engine and name is one of the most highly respected manufactures among pickup truck, industrial equipment and heavy duty truck buyers. In the long run I believe Chrysler would sell many more half ton trucks and made a larger profit because many people buy the Dodge pickup just because it has the Cummins engine.
In North America the average pickup truck driver is familiar with the Cummins name and has no idea who VM Motori is.
Chrysler - you made a big mistake!