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Old 01-04-2014, 12:59 PM   #71
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Perhaps there is merit in a US designed diesel engine built for the US fuel specifications. That is why I selected the Dodge with a US made Cummins diesel. I avoid bio-diesel like the black plague.

The temperatures on that Jeep mentioned above were much higher than those in my truck doing the same pull out of California with a GCVW of 16,000 pounds of which the 25FB International Serenity trailer was 6,960 pounds.

That Italian V6 diesel was build for light delivery vans in Europe. If used in a RV towing vehicle overseas, their trailers are typically half the weight or less of ours, shorter and with surge brakes and around 400 pounds or less of tongue weight.

I would strongly suggest keeping all the CAT scales weigh tickets showing the Jeep with trailer were within the towing specifications whenever it was used in case there is ever an engine warranty issue.
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That Italian V6 diesel was build for light delivery vans in Europe. If used in a RV towing vehicle overseas, their trailers are typically half the weight or less of ours, shorter and with surge brakes and around 400 pounds or less of tongue weight.
The "light delivery vans" Fiat sells in Europe (the Sprinter-class Ducato) use transverse-mounted inline-4 diesels for better economy. (Given a similar construction and level of technology, the 4-cyl of equal displacement tends to use less fuel than a 6-cyl because it has a bit less internal friction. It will be offered with the largest of those in the US as the RAM Promaster (and its base engine will be the ubiquitous Pentastar 3.6l gasoline V6).
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Old 01-04-2014, 03:43 PM   #73
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You can get ye ole pickup with several discounts - about $6000K without a haggle (when I looked at a Lariat Supercrew Ecoboost) to around $38K that will get a well documented 15-16 in city with around 23 highway not towing .......
Glad that you like pickup trucks, as many do, and you seem to have a good handle on your values. I doubt that many buying a high end Grand Cherokee are comparing it to a pickup truck, though. They are very different vehicles for different needs and preferences. There are less expensive vehicles for towing, just as there are less expensive ways to go camping. Variety is the spice of life.

Yes, diesel is more expensive than gasoline, and it varies widely across the country. See Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Update - Energy Information Administration
and Why has diesel fuel been more expensive than gasoline? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) to understand why.

Now, back to the Grand Cherokee Diesel.
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Old 01-04-2014, 03:50 PM   #74
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The brake controller installation looks easy. I'll let you know when my garage warms up - it's been really COLD in Durango!
Jim, it was indeed easy. The GC has a grey connector that is clipped with a zip tie just above the parking brake, under the dash. There was a mating connector supplied with my GC - in a plastic bag in the glove compartment. Match the four wires to your brake controller, mount the controller and you are in business. I mounted mine to the left of the instrument display using VHB tape.
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Jim, it was indeed easy. The GC has a grey connector that is clipped with a zip tie just above the parking brake, under the dash. There was a mating connector supplied with my GC - in a plastic bag in the glove compartment. Match the four wires to your brake controller, mount the controller and you are in business. I mounted mine to the left of the instrument display using VHB tape.

Thanks for the update. Good news. Familiar philosophy, only improvements. Jim
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:18 PM   #76
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Switz, how do you avoid bio diesel? At nearby the Love's Country station the diesel pump has a sticker that says something to the effect of "contains bio diesel 5%-20%". Not too helpful. If 5% or less I didn't even think the pump required a sticker. Is there any difference in the diesel at the front of the stations vs. the big rig pumps out back? Thanks, Rich
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Love's is the most blatant about bio-diesel. I avoid them at all cost. That is one reason the 34 gallon stock tank was swapped for a 56 gallon tank in the same location - I can go on down the road to the proper fuel stop.

My owner's manual in the 2012 Dodge says a maximum of 5% bio-diesel. So far, unlike our food supply where genetically modified stuff is NOT required to be identified unlike the rest of the world, the use of bio-diesel additives is still required to be mentioned at the pump on a sticker.

I plan ahead and fuel up at a Chevron, Shell, Pilot or Flying J which have yet to mention any use of bio-diesel. And only one truck fills the diesel storage tank(s) at the truck stops. So you get out front what the big trucks get in back. The big difference is the big trucks have massive fuel filters and the small vehicles do not and that can be an important point.

I suggest keeping both the receipts with milage at fill up written on it plus a log showing the place address, time, amount of fuel, the the price per gallon and total price and milage for that tank and the total milage on the truck. Thus you have a donkey to pin a tail on in the event of dirty fuel causing an engine problem.

You are regularly checking your fuel water filter, right? and changing the fuel filter more often than the manual requires?
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Am I regularly checking my fuel water filter? In a word, no. I saw that page in the diesel supplement manual and said to myself "I hope I never have to do that". After reading your post I got the manual out again and looked under the hood for the fuel filter. Based on its placement I really hope I never have to drain the water separator under the fuel filter. I don't think I could get my hand to the drain valve.

The 2014 duramax manual approves biodiesel up to B20, but there are lots of warnings about bio breaking down more quickly than regular diesel, that it shouldn't sit too long, and doesn't do well at high temperatures. So if I can't find B0, I would rather have B5 than B20. But I've only filled up 3 times so I am a little too new to this to have experiences to base my opinions on.

I have the stock 36 gallon tank and already love the 650 mile range (solo). I can only imagine the range with the 50 gallon tank you have.

Thanks for the advice.

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PS have you picked up the new Classic yet? this week I thought it was if I remember all of the posts correctly.
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Let's just say that it was rescheduled earlier and I made it to the factory for the second production day on 2 January. Like most of the country, the big chill and snow crippled the just in time inventory system and units are out of sequence on the line as a result of a missing part stopping a unit and putting it outside and starting another one to keep folks busy. There was about a 38 number jump between my unit and one five trailers back at the start of the "final" assembly production lines.

We had a hiccup concerning our custom options, but that was resolved quickly and rectified. Yesterday, 10 Jan, the vast majority of the Hickory wood was installed and the details of wiring, attaching gas lines and water lines was in process. The street side and rear awnings were on board yesterday, but the long curb side awning is still MIA, but the center support is installed.

The folks on the line are very friendly and busy. I think one lady's comment reflects their efforts, "I want each trailer I work on to be as perfect as I wanted my house to be when it was built!".

So the actual out the door date may be closer to the finish date of 15 January I had in my signature for months than the early start date would have implied.
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What's the largest trailer successfully being towed by a Jeep Grand Cherokee?

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That is one reason the 34 gallon stock tank was swapped for a 56 gallon tank in the same location.
Switz - Did you swap your OEM tank for a Titan replacement? You know I love the Titan tanks (swapped the 25 gallon on my 2011 F-350 SRW with a Titan 50 gallon), wouldn't mind doing it once more on the 2013 Ram 2500 (34 gallons for 56 gallon replacement) if I do ever head back West for an extended trip or two...
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What's the largest trailer successfully being towed by a Jeep Grand Cherokee?
I towed a 25FB Classic with my Diesel Touareg all over the country and it towed very well (the Pro Pride was a tremendous help). That 405lbs torque of the diesel engine (coupled to a great transmission) never was lacking for power as I went over the Sierra Nevada’s, Rockies, Appalachian mountains, etc.


That being said, I felt I was on the very edge of my weight limits (max payload of the Touareg due to tongue weight of my heavy Classic 25FB Airstream) and was uber, uber, uber, cautious to what I would place into the Touareg (only one passenger with bags & tools in Airstream) and kept most of my items in the very aft of the Airstream to keep tongue weight to the minimum as well as keeping my propane levels pretty low, always towing with the tanks (fresh water, black & grey) empty.

Knowing quite well that the weight limitations (payload, max tongue, etc.) of the Touareg match up almost exactly to the Grand Cherokee (I own a 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee so I have the vehicle and manual) - I would go no larger than a 23 foot Airstream if I were to tow with my Grand Cherokee (even with my 465 pounds torque and 470 horses of the SRT) due to the tongue weights. Perhaps, maybe a 25fb Airstream in Flying Cloud or International would work but I would be back to worrying about my "weight and balance" potential issues.

It's nice to have a modern 3/4 ton truck with diesel, as comfortable as my Touareg and SRT Grand Cherokee, that I can load up both trailer and truck and not worry about payload (I have a 27FB now) as well as fresh water tanks, max propane, etc.

Interesting side bar, both my old diesel Touareg and my current SRT Grand Cherokee have more available max payload than the 2013 F-150 EcoBoost that I owned for one week as configured from Ford….
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:12 PM   #83
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Making right choice?

Hi folks -- we are new to the Airstream world, and haven't towed a trailer for many years -- been doing class A and class B motorhomes.

We have a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel on order and are looking at a 2012 27FB Classic...

The weights look heavy, but the RV dealer assures us that the Jeep can be configured to tow this trailer, by boosting the Class IV hitch that comes with to a Class V and adding the proper weight distribution hitch. Don't know what brand they will recommend.

JeepGC TW 720, max tow 7200; 27FB Classic TW 792, Dry wt 6672, GVWR 9000. Payload supposed to be 1150, but can't verify it or axle wts for our specific vehicle until we get it and see the door post.

We are used to travelling light in a Class B, so won't be loading a lot.

Wondering... are we nuts? or being sold? or does this combination actually make sense?

All wisdom gratefully received.
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I also tow a 27FB, but with a Ford Expedition. The Jeep has a little more power and is lighter so should be a quicker TV. Payload is quite a bit less, on the margin if you figure a 1,000 lb tongue weight. Tow capacity, to me, is not a big problem as my trailer CAT scaled weighed fully loaded for camping was hundreds lbs less than GVWR.
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