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Old 04-16-2013, 10:37 AM   #29
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Have a Jeep Commander HEMI as well, great tow vehicle.

I am waiting for the Jeep Wagoneer they've been threatening.
Hopefully it doesn't look like a KIA...

Hope the commander holds together a few more years
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:54 PM   #30
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Except that they have a long history of selling both a Cherokee and a Grand Cherokee. I can't say why they did it initially, but I think they may have been ashamed to call the smaller top-line model a Wagoneer (as they had done previously.)
Because the "Grand" was supposed to be the early 90's replacement for the standard Cherokee first released in '84. But the original was still selling quite well so it got a minor re-fresh in '96 and kept going until '01.


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Old 08-23-2013, 06:34 PM   #31
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They say the 4X4 will pull 7200lbs. Anyone else interested in this jeep diesel V6?
More than interested! I placed my order today for a 2014 4x4 Diesel Grand Cherokee Overland. It's 'Early Retirement' for my 08 Diesel GC Overland with 103,000 mi. that has towed the FC23FB so very capably.

I would appreciate advice from anyone who has set up a new GC with the Select Terrain suspension system and a Equalizer WDH. I plan to use my Equalizer that has worked so well with the current GC.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:55 PM   #32
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Very interested as well. Right now it's too early for us (kids too young) to go for the SUV solution, but my next car will be either the Jeep, the Mercedes or the VW diesel.
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:51 AM   #33
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More than interested! I placed my order today for a 2014 4x4 Diesel Grand Cherokee Overland. It's 'Early Retirement' for my 08 Diesel GC Overland with 103,000 mi. that has towed the FC23FB so very capably.

I would appreciate advice from anyone who has set up a new GC with the Select Terrain suspension system and a Equalizer WDH. I plan to use my Equalizer that has worked so well with the current GC.
In four to six weeks you will be a very happy person!

The Mrs. has already spec'd out hers but has won't order until she test drives.

Please let us know your impressions when you get yours.
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:32 PM   #34
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I'm expecting delivery of my Grand Cherokee CRD in about two weeks. I'm trying to convince myself I'll be able to use it to tow my 2008 25' FB Classic, but the numbers just aren't working out:

Vehicle curb wt: 5393lbs
GVWR: 6800lbs
Payload (DSL specific): 1290lbs
Group IV trailer hitch
Max Tow: 7200lbs
Vehicle Wt Distribution: 53/47
Heavy Duty Engine Oil Cooling
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Trailer Dry Weight: 5900lbs
Hitch Weight: 780lbs
Weight w/fluids: 6280 (placard says this, but I think it's heavier because Airstream installed a 54 gallon fresh water tank in the later 25' Classics as an afterthought)
Max. Gross Wt: 8000lbs

My current tow vehicle is a 2500HD Duramax, but it's getting tired and I'd really like to transition to the Jeep. Maybe if my wife and I go on diets, no cargo in the Jeep, and travel with the trailer empty
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:17 PM   #35
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The urea tank needs to be filled about ever 8,000 to 10,000 miles and you get a 1,500 mile warning message so plenty of time to pick some up. I got a 2.5 gallon jug at NAPA for $13. Easy.
You can also drive up to most truck stops and fill up DEF/Urea straight from the pump. It's about half the cost of buying from NAPA. Added 3 gallons the other day for about $9.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:19 PM   #36
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Vehicle curb wt: 5393lbs
GVWR: 6800lbs
Payload (DSL specific): 1290lbs
Group IV trailer hitch
Max Tow: 7200lbs

Trailer Dry Weight: 5900lbs
Hitch Weight: 780lbs
Weight w/fluids: 6280 (placard says this, but I think it's heavier because Airstream installed a 54 gallon fresh water tank in the later 25' Classics as an afterthought)
Max. Gross Wt: 8000lbs
You should be fine. Also, there's no reason to travel with 54 gallons (400 lbs) of fresh water. Your payload is enough for you, wife, and hitch/trailer. A few other light things and that's it. Put the rest in the trailer.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:55 PM   #37
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I'm expecting delivery of my Grand Cherokee CRD in about two weeks. I'm trying to convince myself I'll be able to use it to tow my 2008 25' FB Classic, but the numbers just aren't working out:

Vehicle curb wt: 5393lbs
GVWR: 6800lbs
Payload (DSL specific): 1290lbs
Group IV trailer hitch
Max Tow: 7200lbs
Vehicle Wt Distribution: 53/47
Heavy Duty Engine Oil Cooling
Engine Oil Cooler
Transmission Coolant/Oil Heat Exchanger
HD Disk Brakes
3:45 Rear Axle Ratio
Electronic Anti-Sway Control
Quadra-Lift Air Suspension

Trailer Dry Weight: 5900lbs
Hitch Weight: 780lbs
Weight w/fluids: 6280 (placard says this, but I think it's heavier because Airstream installed a 54 gallon fresh water tank in the later 25' Classics as an afterthought)
Max. Gross Wt: 8000lbs

My current tow vehicle is a 2500HD Duramax, but it's getting tired and I'd really like to transition to the Jeep. Maybe if my wife and I go on diets, no cargo in the Jeep, and travel with the trailer empty
The concerns would be stability with short wheelbase, and payload when adding tongue weight I think.

I would start with a ProPride/Hensley hitch to ensure good weight distribution, excellent drivability, and put any sway concerns to rest.

I think the Jeep payload number includes a driver, one passenger, and fuel. Check it out. Load the trailer for travel and keep the front light, back carrying the load. Get 16" wheels/Michelin LT tires for reliability, leave the spare at home if traveling locally. Weigh the trailer tongue where it connects to the Jeep receiver, not at the tongue jack to know what the receiver is carrying. And remember some of that tongue weight is transferred to the trailer axles when a good weight distribution hitch is used.

You know all the reasons you can't use the Jeep, look for ways you can. It's a nice vehicle and it's what you have.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:32 AM   #38
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I agree with dkottum. Get a Hensley, or comparable, especially with the air suspension. Let's say the hitch weight loaded is 900lbs, 200 of that get transferred back to the trailer wheels by WD, leaves you with 700 for the car to carry.

This means that you, the passenger and fuel (and everything else you're putting inside the vehicle) should not weigh more than 600lbs. Sounds good to me. Don't carry generators or firewood in the car and you're good to go without overloading the tow vehicle.
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:00 AM   #39
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Our new 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel finally arrived, and my early impressions are completely positive. In comparison to our 08 GC Diesel (>30K very satisfactory miles towing our FC23FB with 10K Equalizer WDH), the new GC is much more capable, comfortable and refined. With greater power (420 vs 376 ft-lbs torque), 8 speed auto, 5" longer wheelbase and same short overhang, it should tow even better. SelectTerrain, Quadra-Lift - the list of improvements is lengthy. Sorry, I sound like a Jeep commercial, but I'm excited
Unfortunately, the Airstream is in storage, the snow is deep at home in Durango, and it will be a while before we get to hook up and see just how she tows.
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Old 12-09-2013, 07:18 PM   #40
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Our new 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel finally arrived, and my early impressions are completely positive. In comparison to our 08 GC Diesel (>30K very satisfactory miles towing our FC23FB with 10K Equalizer WDH), the new GC is much more capable, comfortable and refined. With greater power (420 vs 376 ft-lbs torque), 8 speed auto, 5" longer wheelbase and same short overhang, it should tow even better. SelectTerrain, Quadra-Lift - the list of improvements is lengthy. Sorry, I sound like a Jeep commercial, but I'm excited Unfortunately, the Airstream is in storage, the snow is deep at home in Durango, and it will be a while before we get to hook up and see just how she tows.
My Jeep is in having some engine seals ( rear main and turbo) replaced so the new one cannot get here quick enough. Have you figured out the ease or lack of ease for a brake controller installation? I am hoping that it is plug and play. Jim
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:07 PM   #41
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I would appreciate advice from anyone who has set up a new GC with the Select Terrain suspension system and a Equalizer WDH. I plan to use my Equalizer that has worked so well with the current GC.
I have a 2012 Grand Cherokee Overland with full air suspension. Took me a while to figure out how to best set it up with the equalizer hitches. The drill is this:

Find a dead level location. With the trailer uncoupled, measure the wheel well heights and record.

Turn the air suspension off (hold the up and down buttons down for 10 seconds at the same time).

Back up to your Airstream a few feet away and hitch up without the spring bars attached. Don't move far, or the air suspension will revert to automatic.

With the weight on the ball, measure the wheel well numbers. Use the spring bars to restore to the original numbers or slightly lower due to the additional weight.

Tow away. The suspension will revert to automatic all by itself in a short distance.

Now, a better way to do it is to have access to a scale and do it that way (again, with the suspension off), but I have done this both ways and now trust the measurement system when I can't get to a scale easily.

You will find the Air Suspension system to have a mind of it's own at times (at least the 2012's do). They adjust themselves to look pretty and level, even when parked on uneven ground. If you jack the rear up with the trailer tongue jack it may stay high for a bit after you start down the road, but it will come back to normal soon. Same with being too low, I also have had that happen for a while. No one seems to know why, but it simply does strange things at times, but mine, with 22,000 miles on it now has been flawless and comfortable and it is a great tow vehicle for my 20' trailers.

Be sure to remember how to turn the Air Suspension off if you have to change a tire. You must turn it off or it will fight you when you try to jack it up.

For others reading this, the Jeep full Air Suspension is not an air bag, not a air shock, but a full system which replaces the springs and shocks completely on all 4 wheels. It is very different from what you might think of as an Air Suspension system from the old days.
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