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Old 04-14-2013, 05:01 PM   #15
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Quoting airstreamguy.com - ** Airstream Lengths, Weights and Tongue Weight
1991 EXCELLA 29 foot, 5600 dry wt, 700 hitch wt

And quoting 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee | Eco Diesel Engine Capabilities | Jeep
When properly equipped, (2014) Grand Cherokee can tow a Best-in-Class+ 7,400-pounds+. Additionally, its Trailer Sway Control (TSC) reduces trailer sway and improves handling in adverse towing conditions caused by crosswinds, traffic and improper weight distribution on the trailer. When an excessively swaying trailer is recognized by the system, the TSC automatically kicks into action.Other features available include: Trailer Tow Group IV.

Any thoughts on this? I *like* Jeep a lot but not sure if I have too big a trailer to pull this off. BTW, Akron and eastern Ohio is hilly!
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Old 04-14-2013, 05:25 PM   #16
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I have a 2012 Grand Cherokee Overland with the Hemi V8 and tow a 20' Argosy which has a 715 # hitch weight and a 4200# total weight. It is a very nice combination, in all ways, but I am not sure that a 29' would be as comfortable a ride. Maybe, but it would be pushing the limits a bit in my opinion. However, the Jeep GC does weigh in at 5200# itself, so not that far off the trailer weight you would have, what? 3000# less? It is also the length vs the wheelbase of the Jeep which could be a problem.
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Old 04-14-2013, 06:58 PM   #17
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Quoting airstreamguy.com - Airstream Lengths, Weights and Tongue Weight
1991 EXCELLA 29 foot, 5600 dry wt, 700 hitch wt

And quoting 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee | Eco Diesel Engine Capabilities | Jeep
When properly equipped, (2014) Grand Cherokee can tow a Best-in-Class+ 7,400-pounds+. Additionally, its Trailer Sway Control (TSC) reduces trailer sway and improves handling in adverse towing conditions caused by crosswinds, traffic and improper weight distribution on the trailer. When an excessively swaying trailer is recognized by the system, the TSC automatically kicks into action.Other features available include: Trailer Tow Group IV.

Any thoughts on this? I *like* Jeep a lot but not sure if I have too big a trailer to pull this off. BTW, Akron and eastern Ohio is hilly!
There are a number of threads regarding the GC and towing, and quite a few differing opinions on how appropriate they are for towing large Airstreams. How ever, from those of us that actually do it, the overwhelming majority love their Diesel Jeep tow vehicles. I am one of those. The Jeep now has about 280,000 k on it, still works beautifully, and I will get a new one as soon as they are available. Jim
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:39 PM   #18
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It is also the length vs the wheelbase of the Jeep which could be a problem.
Is there a guide to matching up length vs the wheelbase? Any research suggestions?

What I need to find is a vehicle that can tow a few (3-5) times a year and be driven as my main everyday ride. I'm just not comfortable tooling around in a big truck when I don't need one. But....Airstream.....hummmm....
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:56 PM   #19
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I don't even try to argue how good the small SUV with small diesel is because it's too hard to describe the astounding performance without folks thinking you're full of it.
Yep, those of us who've enjoyed the capabilities provided by such a combination can be happy to hear there are more choices coming.

I really hope this Jeep becomes a good seller, because Detroit should look hard at the future of small diesel trucks.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:16 AM   #20
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It sounds very similar to my VW Touareg diesel which has been a fantastic tow vehicle/daily driver. I don't even try to argue how good the small SUV with small diesel is because it's too hard to describe the astounding performance without folks thinking your full of it. They tune out when they hear 17 mpg towing because they don't believe it. You really just need to experience it to believe it.

Perhaps the Jeep 3.0 will replace my VW when it hits 400,000 miles in 2020. Diesel rules!
I just tuned in. 17 MPG towing? Do you need to add urea or whatever it is to your diesel? Is it noisy?
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I talked to Andy Thomson at Can-Am as well as Shaun at Pro-Pride and after crunching the numbers ordered a 2013 GC Summit last fall with the factory tow package, 4x4 and the hemi as a TV for my 25' Safari FB. The AS weighs 6280 with a tongue weight of 800#. The direct link brake controller should be here today and the Pro-Pride is on order. My last TV was a Silverado 2500HD that actually had 5 foot pounds of torque LESS that the GC! My main concern about the diesel was not local service, but service on the road and a $4000 upcharge over the V-6 with the possibility of a dealer premium. The towing specs between the 3.0 diesel and Hemi are real close. I've owned a diesel station wagon and an F350 as well as a boat with twin Ford Laymans. The cost of maintenance on a diesel is a turn off for me.
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Got to say, the power train I'm curious about is the Hemi with the new 8-spd automatic. We love towing with our Durango Hemi (same platform) but wouldn't mind 1-2 more mpg. And I also love cheap maintenance ($7 oil filters!) That said, I've driven the GC diesel and it is very, very nice.

I like the plug-and-play nature of towing with this platform - no fussing. Like having a full spare, the Directlink capability, self-leveling rear suspension, and the tidy hitch and wiring.

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The hemi is a v-eight, and developers it's power at a higher rpm than the diesel. Jim
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It sounds very similar to my VW Touareg diesel which has been a fantastic tow vehicle/daily driver. I don't even try to argue how good the small SUV with small diesel is because it's too hard to describe the astounding performance without folks thinking your full of it. They tune out when they hear 17 mpg towing because they don't believe it. You really just need to experience it to believe it.
What year is your Touareg? I am looking for a midsized SUV or wagon to tow and drive so I want something that gets ok gas mileage, but could tow a 21-23' trailer (still shopping, havent bought one yet).
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The hemi is a v-eight, and developers it's power at a higher rpm than the diesel. Jim
From AUTOWEEK: Fiat's takeover of Jeep parent Chrysler unlocked the cross-Atlantic sharing of platforms and technologies (see Dodge's Alfa Romeo Giulietta-based Dart), which benefits the 2014 Grand Cherokee in the form of a clean-burning, 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6 cranking out 240 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Still available are the familiar 3.6-liter, 290-hp, 260-lb-ft Pentastar V6 and the 5.7-liter, 360-hp, 390-lb-ft V8.

Two things here; early diesel Grand Cherokee's used the M-B engine. This one is different. While the torque curve on the hemi comes in at at a higher RPM, it is not that objectionable, especially when you look at the HP numbers. Too, I can't see how a diesel will pencil out based on the price of fuel, initial cost and service costs.
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I just tuned in. 17 MPG towing? Do you need to add urea or whatever it is to your diesel? Is it noisy?
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What year is your Touareg? I am looking for a midsized SUV or wagon to tow and drive so I want something that gets ok gas mileage, but could tow a 21-23' trailer (still shopping, havent bought one yet).
First, I don't want to highjack this thread away from the Jeep. The Grand Cherokee diesel and the Touareg diesel are very very similar and my experience with the Touareg has been fantastic. I'm interjecting hoping to help future Grand Cherokee diesel owners.

My towing mileage has ranged from an occasional 14.5 in strong headwinds to an occasional 18.5 with strong tail winds. I get 26 commuting and 29 on the highway. I have a 2010 with the 6-speed transmission but I've heard the newer 8-speed is even more fuel efficient topping 30 mpg.

The urea tank needs to be filled about ever 8,000 to 10,000 miles and you get a 1,500 mile warning message so plenty of time to pick some up. I got a 2.5 gallon jug at NAPA for $13. Easy.

The diesel is so quiet nobody knows it's a diesel. Not one person knew it was diesel until I said something. I expect the Grand Cherokee diesel will be just as quiet.
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I just called them direct and are they ever helpful! Can-Am RV Centre | #1 Airstream Dealer in Customer Satisfaction Worldwide | Your Full-Service RV Dealer
I think I will be ok now with towing a limited amount with my current Jeep Commander V8/factory tow package and then when it's time to replace my vehicle, it will be the Jeep diesel used with the dealer depreciation knocked off. I'm getting the weight distribution hitch too. Well, for now, it's a plan!
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