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Old 07-01-2015, 05:00 PM   #43
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Robert Cross, great pictures!!

Thanks for clearing that up. According to Wally and Robert I'm covered as I have one of each, a truck and a vdub.

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Old 07-01-2015, 05:16 PM   #44
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Let's see, two accidents, one with a blow out and the other a rental (assumed novice). And all could be prevented if they were driving a 3/4 ton pick-up.
Hmmm, very presumptive.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:23 PM   #45
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Got me there Bob, Is that Wally in the middle? I had never seen that pic before and don't recognize the front signal light config. Most be 1906ish? That would put HP at....what...about 60? I can't imagine that working without overheating except maybe in 2nd gear at 20mph. IIRC, my '67 was about 69hp until I put in the super Beetle engine....then it was about 80hp. Somewhere around there...been awhile. Not much torque either.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:25 PM   #46
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Let's see, two accidents, one with a blow out and the other a rental (assumed novice). And all could be prevented if they were driving a 3/4 ton pick-up.
Hmmm, very presumptive.
Not sure who you are addressing, but I didn't say anything about 3/4 ton trucks....I said exceeding rgawr causes problems with adding to jack knifing situations, whether a beetle or a 1 ton.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:33 PM   #48
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Look how long the trailer is behind the VW.
Wally did not pull long trailers with short vehicles for any long distance other than display or parades.


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This hits close to home a timely reminder. I did not know the couple involved but they lived not to far from me. We had mutual friends and everyone that knew them said they were great people "living the dream" with their vintage Studebaker and Spartan Camper.

"MENOMONIE -- An elderly Baraboo woman died Sunday afternoon after a vintage Studebaker pickup and camper she was traveling in ran off I-94 and overturned near eastbound MM 36.

The State Patrol reported that Vera M. Scoles, 85, of Baraboo, was the passenger in a 1951 pickup being driven by Jerome L. Thiessen, 74, also of Baraboo. Thiessen apparently lost control of the truck and the 1948 camper trailer in-tow and rolled into the eastbound ditch.
Theissen sustained life-threatening injuries and was transported by air ambulance to Luther-Mayo hospital in Eau Claire.
The accident was reported at 1:54 p.m. Sunday. Dunn County sheriff's deputies and Menomonie firefighters assisted at the scene.

The couple was thought to have been en route home from St. Paul, Minn., where thousands of car afficionados had gathered for three days at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds for the annual Minnesota Street Rod Assocation Back to the Fifties car rally.
The crash remains under investigation."
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Got me there Bob, Is that Wally in the middle? I had never seen that pic before and don't recognize the front signal light config. Most be 1906ish? That would put HP at....what...about 60? I can't imagine that working without overheating except maybe in 2nd gear at 20mph. IIRC, my '67 was about 69hp until I put in the super Beetle engine....then it was about 80hp. Somewhere around there...been awhile. Not much torque either.
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The pic was taken in Europe, I believe it would be a 36hp.

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Thanks for the reality check. I've towed my previous 33ft & 36 ft TT's with HD diesel TV & have never felt out of control. My new 25ft AS will be pulled by my RAM 1500 & after reading your post I'll be extra cautious. My truck is heavier than the trailer but not by much & that gives me pause.
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I friend of mine (highway patrolman) told me he had seen to many accidents involving vehicles towing utility trailers, boats or RV's.

According to him people just don't realize the "increased stopping distance" when towing no matter what their set up is and often they end up killing themselves or someone else when they loose control.

After seeing the carnage first hand he now tickets every speeding vehicle he sees towing just 1 mph over the posted limit.
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I'm going to trade in for a 3/4 ton so I won't die. Because I'm clearly going to die with a half ton. You all said so.
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I'm going to trade in for a 3/4 ton so I won't die. Because I'm clearly going to die with a half ton. You all said so.

Not good enough, you have to have this to be safe on the road,
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Indeed, but older cars weighed much more than modern equivalents!
Surprisingly enough this is very much a myth. Older cars did have large bodies made of mild steel, lots of space around engines and such, and a very limited option list.

By comparison, today's modern cars are built with lots of high tenstile steel, multi airbags, lots of options and the corresponding wiring harnesses to power everything.

For example a 1976 Buick Century, which surprisingly was rated as a mid size car but was a body on frame, solid rear axle, seats six vehicle weighs the same as a modern Hyundai Gensis Coupe, half the size. A Hyundai Santa Fe mid size SUV weighs the same as a full size 70's Caprice Classic or an 80's full size FJ60 Toyota Landcruiser.

I'm often shocked at the growing curb weights of modern vehicles and can't seem to get my head around that my 2003 4DR Chevy Tracker V6 body on frame, solid rear axle 4x4 weighs almost 600lbs LESS than that Hyundai Gensis Coupe. The Chevy doesn't have a 8sp auto, ABS, VDC, Navigation, back up sensors, 10 airbags and the list goes on; but if you were to ask anyone which one was heavier, the Chevy would be picked.

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3/4 ton diesel truck plus Hensley hitch. No guarantee for sure, but i do indeed think it helps with the odds!

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