Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-01-2015, 03:27 PM   #29
Rivet Master
 
mandolindave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,116
Images: 4
Avionstream

My old brake controller had two adjustments. One timing and one intensity. I needed to fiddle and experiment depending on city and highway. Otherwise the brakes would grab big time around town. So I understand intensity

BUT why timing so the trailer brakes activate later? Same reason ???
__________________

__________________
mandolindave is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 03:49 PM   #30
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,408
Images: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave View Post
Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety?


Avionstream had a point about going to fast then hitting the brakes too hard.I am thinking that most brake controllers hesitate before applying brakes to the trailer. The TV is stopping but the trailer wants to keep going, thus the trailer pushes the trailer …especially bad on a curve


Why don't the brake controllers apply brakes at the same time? Poor design or is it something I am missing
Going over ragwr contributes to jack knifing once sway starts or a braking in corners. Even when wd is properly applied, the Mass is still there helping the whole rig swap ends. Most rollovers with trailers begin with a partial or full jack knife, in my observations.
__________________

__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 03:53 PM   #31
Rivet Master
 
Alphonse's Avatar

 
2010 28' Flying Cloud
Lower Alabama , USA
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 649
Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave View Post
Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety? . . . .
It is called vehicle dynamics. You get into situations where the suspension and steering doesn't work as designed/needed and you are in serious trouble.
__________________
Alan
"If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you never tried before!"

Air #64439
Southeastern Camping Unit WBCCI #5033
TAC AL-8
2017 Canopenian
Alphonse is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:08 PM   #32
Rivet Master
 
Moflash's Avatar
 
2007 28' International CCD
Springfield , Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,167
I have noticed on this forum the tow vehicle can never be blamed for being a poor choice.Here are some statements taken from this forum.

A.Short wheelbase lightweight trucks,cars and minivans are perfect choices for pulling 23-31ft long Airstream travel trailers.

B.Just put a Hensley or PP hitch on it and it will cure any design flaws in the tow vehicle in fact it will overcome the laws of physics in a lot of cases.

C.Payload ratings do not really matter its just something made up by the manufacturer to sell bigger vehicles (conspiracy theory).

D.Tire quality is not relevant nor is the age of the tires on your travel trailer.They are all good just inflate them to max pressure or 10lbs more and you will be fine.

E.Accidents are always the fault of the driver and never his equipment.

F.Blowing a tire on a Airstream isn't really a safety concern.
__________________
Moflash is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:10 PM   #33
Rivet Master
 
paiceman's Avatar

 
2017 30' Classic
Upper St Clair , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,434
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by avionstream View Post
Down hill,too fast then hit the brakes too hard? Just a thought.

My thoughts exactly. Diesel has an engine brake and a trailer tow setting. Even with an F350 Diesel when I am going down hill I use both, in that way I can control my speed without using the brakes, unit does not get out of control and in an emergency I can use the brakes for a smooth straight stop. Have had to do it many times due to poor drivers but most often animals, large animals.

I did not buy the diesel for uphill pulling power, although I will say it's nice, I bought it for downhill control. Example - RT 30 going East from PA Turnpike to Chambersburg, 15 mile hills, at times 8 Degree incline, did it May 26th in light rain, never had to touch the brakes.

Enjoy
__________________
SAFE TRAVELS
2017 30' Classic - F350 6.7 Diesel Crew
USAF - Military Training Instructor (TI) - 68-72
paiceman is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:13 PM   #34
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,408
Images: 5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In all the pictures, what did Wally tow with?
__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:22 PM   #35
Rivet Master
 
Moflash's Avatar
 
2007 28' International CCD
Springfield , Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,167
How long was it and what did it weigh????

Post a picture of Wally's short wheelbase lightweight vehicle please.
__________________
Moflash is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:29 PM   #36
4 Rivet Member
 
ericpeltier's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Superior , Colorado
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 442
(When I read the 1st post, I knew where this thread would go to, and here we are)
__________________
ericpeltier is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:33 PM   #37
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,138
Images: 33
Rarely disappointed here.
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:40 PM   #38
Rivet Master
 
Ray Eklund's Avatar

 
2014 25' International
2006 23' Safari SE
Currently Looking...
Boulder City , Nevada
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,367
If drivers towing a trailer downhill, took the attention to the speed as they do going up... fewer accidents would happen in our mountainous roads of the Rockies.

A bit of sarcasm, but towing UP is easy.

The learning curve of controlling trailer and tow vehicle downhill is not forgiving. It is learned by experience. All trailer/tow vehicle accidents I have seen occurred in two situations.

1- Downhill on a curve about 25 miles east of Santa Fe, NM. Trailer and tow vehicle rolled into the median.

2- On level ground east of Flagstaff, AZ with a fresh 24 inch snow plowed with a popup trailer and vehicle in median. Popup trailer exploded while rolling, while the tow vehicle remained upright and occupants picking up loose items.

Each I would consider operator error. Both could have been avoided. Most likely speed in the first, and wanting to travel under poor conditions for the second.

Speed and Time need not be your first priority. Once you get to where you are going, then take your time and slowly.
__________________
Human Bean
Ray Eklund is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:43 PM   #39
3 Rivet Member
 
1971 31' Sovereign
Christine , North Dakota
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 136
Over Memorial Day we passed through Great Falls, Glacier National Park, Kalispell, Missoula, Bozeman and back home in the Tahoe, not pulling any trailer though. Beautiful countryside; sad to hear about the accidents, at least it was only property and not lives that were lost.

I'm new to AS, but not to towing.
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time reading active posts on this forum.

The look of the towing vehicle in the OP in this thread is concerning to say the least.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...on-119453.html

From his thread, it is a Honda Odyssey pulling a 34ft AS.


I've always had a touch of guilt driving a heavy full sized truck, but in a towing situation which always come up multiple times per year, I've never regretted it.

My Daily Driver and future 1971 Sovereign tow vehicle..
2005 F250 CCSB Camper special
1t rear springs, rear sway bar, factory trailer brake controller
This trailer is 30ft long, but the payload only weighs about 3200lbs fully loaded with gear and gas.

More pictures of it towing
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-130115-9.html

I am surprised that the Tahoe had an issue.
My Wife's Daily Driver
2012 Tahoe LT
Comes with a bunch of features that make it 'better' for the average driver.
Traction Control
Electronic Stability Control
Trailer Brake Controller

And it is a reasonably vehicle, we've pulled the pontoon with it before.

From the Airstream History Page
History of Airstream | Airstream
Quote:
In 1931, Airstream began with Wally Byam’s dream: to build a travel trailer that would move like a stream of air, be light enough to be towed by a car, and create first-class accommodations anywhere.
But lets me fair here, it 1930 Cars and trucks were really only different in the amount of doors and interior space they had.

Also according to the History page, Wally passed in 1962 when cars were all still very large and heavy, very similar to their truck counter parts.

So I doubt you'd ever find a picture of him pulling an Airstream in anything small or light.

Check out this particular website..
Birth of Airstream & Wally Byam | Vogel Talks RVing
I saw it on the internet, it must be OK...


Just because you can; doesn't mean you should.
__________________
phlegm is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:43 PM   #40
Rivet Master
 
Hittenstiehl's Avatar

 
1965 24' Tradewind
1962 28' Ambassador
1961 19' Globetrotter
Mesa , Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 3,042
Images: 9
Eric and chief I thought the same.

We humans are predictable. As mentioned here previously, maybe they were using a (insert brand name here) weight distribution versus a ( insert brand name here).

Overall when I read this post I thought, drive carefully, hitch appropriately, research your travel terrain, thank goodness they all survived, bad road closure, tow truck driver, insurance company and rental company. (Not necessarily in that order)

Actually I thought of Airstreams 2 Go and hoped it wasn't one of theirs because there are not to many rental companies of Airstream and with Tahoe.
__________________

Hittenstiehl
Hittenstiehl is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:48 PM   #41
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawas"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , WNY
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 11,153
Images: 1
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g View Post
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In all the pictures, what did Wally tow with?













Bob
__________________
ROBERT CROSS is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 04:56 PM   #42
Rivet Master
 
tjdonahoe's Avatar
 
2013 31' Classic
billings , Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,844
You can roll down Bozeman pass 65 with the exhaust brake on, and very seldom do you have to touch your service brakes , it's a good ride.....
__________________

__________________
tjdonahoe is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Just saw two Airstream motorhomes inside of two minutes tevake Classic Motorhomes 8 10-31-2014 01:30 AM
"Alice" Month Two on the polish. zagarino Cleaning, Stripping & Polishing 3 05-08-2012 09:13 AM
Two 12V vs. two six volt batteries spat61 Land Yacht/Legacy Motorhomes 37 04-23-2010 12:50 AM
Two plus two cello The Pet Forum 1 09-26-2006 03:00 PM
Two 6 volts or Two 12V series 27 LI Pets Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 0 09-07-2006 07:06 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.