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Old 07-01-2015, 02:27 PM   #29
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My old brake controller had two adjustments. One timing and one intensity. I needed to fiddle and experiment depending on city and highway. Otherwise the brakes would grab big time around town. So I understand intensity

BUT why timing so the trailer brakes activate later? Same reason ???

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Old 07-01-2015, 02:49 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by mandolindave View Post
Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety?

Avionstream had a point about going to fast then hitting the brakes too hard.I am thinking that most brake controllers hesitate before applying brakes to the trailer. The TV is stopping but the trailer wants to keep going, thus the trailer pushes the trailer …especially bad on a curve

Why don't the brake controllers apply brakes at the same time? Poor design or is it something I am missing
Going over ragwr contributes to jack knifing once sway starts or a braking in corners. Even when wd is properly applied, the Mass is still there helping the whole rig swap ends. Most rollovers with trailers begin with a partial or full jack knife, in my observations.


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Originally Posted by mandolindave View Post
Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety? . . . .
It is called vehicle dynamics. You get into situations where the suspension and steering doesn't work as designed/needed and you are in serious trouble.
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Old 07-01-2015, 03:08 PM   #32
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I have noticed on this forum the tow vehicle can never be blamed for being a poor choice.Here are some statements taken from this forum.

A.Short wheelbase lightweight trucks,cars and minivans are perfect choices for pulling 23-31ft long Airstream travel trailers.

B.Just put a Hensley or PP hitch on it and it will cure any design flaws in the tow vehicle in fact it will overcome the laws of physics in a lot of cases.

C.Payload ratings do not really matter its just something made up by the manufacturer to sell bigger vehicles (conspiracy theory).

D.Tire quality is not relevant nor is the age of the tires on your travel trailer.They are all good just inflate them to max pressure or 10lbs more and you will be fine.

E.Accidents are always the fault of the driver and never his equipment.

F.Blowing a tire on a Airstream isn't really a safety concern.
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Down hill,too fast then hit the brakes too hard? Just a thought.

My thoughts exactly. Diesel has an engine brake and a trailer tow setting. Even with an F350 Diesel when I am going down hill I use both, in that way I can control my speed without using the brakes, unit does not get out of control and in an emergency I can use the brakes for a smooth straight stop. Have had to do it many times due to poor drivers but most often animals, large animals.

I did not buy the diesel for uphill pulling power, although I will say it's nice, I bought it for downhill control. Example - RT 30 going East from PA Turnpike to Chambersburg, 15 mile hills, at times 8 Degree incline, did it May 26th in light rain, never had to touch the brakes.


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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In all the pictures, what did Wally tow with?

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How long was it and what did it weigh????

Post a picture of Wally's short wheelbase lightweight vehicle please.
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(When I read the 1st post, I knew where this thread would go to, and here we are)
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Old 07-01-2015, 03:40 PM   #38
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If drivers towing a trailer downhill, took the attention to the speed as they do going up... fewer accidents would happen in our mountainous roads of the Rockies.

A bit of sarcasm, but towing UP is easy.

The learning curve of controlling trailer and tow vehicle downhill is not forgiving. It is learned by experience. All trailer/tow vehicle accidents I have seen occurred in two situations.

1- Downhill on a curve about 25 miles east of Santa Fe, NM. Trailer and tow vehicle rolled into the median.

2- On level ground east of Flagstaff, AZ with a fresh 24 inch snow plowed with a popup trailer and vehicle in median. Popup trailer exploded while rolling, while the tow vehicle remained upright and occupants picking up loose items.

Each I would consider operator error. Both could have been avoided. Most likely speed in the first, and wanting to travel under poor conditions for the second.

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Old 07-01-2015, 03:43 PM   #39
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Over Memorial Day we passed through Great Falls, Glacier National Park, Kalispell, Missoula, Bozeman and back home in the Tahoe, not pulling any trailer though. Beautiful countryside; sad to hear about the accidents, at least it was only property and not lives that were lost.

I'm new to AS, but not to towing.
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time reading active posts on this forum.

The look of the towing vehicle in the OP in this thread is concerning to say the least.

From his thread, it is a Honda Odyssey pulling a 34ft AS.

I've always had a touch of guilt driving a heavy full sized truck, but in a towing situation which always come up multiple times per year, I've never regretted it.

My Daily Driver and future 1971 Sovereign tow vehicle..
2005 F250 CCSB Camper special
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This trailer is 30ft long, but the payload only weighs about 3200lbs fully loaded with gear and gas.

More pictures of it towing

I am surprised that the Tahoe had an issue.
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In 1931, Airstream began with Wally Byam’s dream: to build a travel trailer that would move like a stream of air, be light enough to be towed by a car, and create first-class accommodations anywhere.
But lets me fair here, it 1930 Cars and trucks were really only different in the amount of doors and interior space they had.

Also according to the History page, Wally passed in 1962 when cars were all still very large and heavy, very similar to their truck counter parts.

So I doubt you'd ever find a picture of him pulling an Airstream in anything small or light.

Check out this particular website..
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Eric and chief I thought the same.

We humans are predictable. As mentioned here previously, maybe they were using a (insert brand name here) weight distribution versus a ( insert brand name here).

Overall when I read this post I thought, drive carefully, hitch appropriately, research your travel terrain, thank goodness they all survived, bad road closure, tow truck driver, insurance company and rental company. (Not necessarily in that order)

Actually I thought of Airstreams 2 Go and hoped it wasn't one of theirs because there are not to many rental companies of Airstream and with Tahoe.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In all the pictures, what did Wally tow with?

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You can roll down Bozeman pass 65 with the exhaust brake on, and very seldom do you have to touch your service brakes , it's a good ride.....

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