Closed Thread
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-01-2015, 12:35 PM   #15
Rivet Master
dznf0g's Avatar

2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,196
I also think ASes give many a false sense of "sports car like" handling. How many times do we read of those driving 70, 75, 80 mph....and "I don't even know it's back there".


It's back there and has a lot of mass, crude brakes (compared to autos), crude suspension (compared to autos). It WILL wag the dog, when push comes to pun intended.


"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is online now  
Old 07-01-2015, 12:35 PM   #16
Rivet Master
dkottum's Avatar
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,842
We tow with a very stable 25' Airstream/ProPride hitch/Ram 1500 combo. No reservations whatsoever about safety because we never travel overweight or with poor weight distribution.

Apparently the issue in these accidents is overloaded and/or improperly loaded combinations; that is the limitation of light duty tow vehicles. It is good to drive home that point.

Doug and Cheryl
2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles

The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
dkottum is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:14 PM   #17
3 Rivet Member
1973 31' Excella 500
Marysville , Washington
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 219
The AS manual for my 1973 31' depicts a car towing the AS.

I suspect most AS can likely be safely towed with a 1/2 ton truck, especially a modern 1/2 ton PROPERLY equipped.

Note: The older models tended to weigh less per Ft.
Not Done is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:18 PM   #18
Rivet Master

Vintage Kin Owner
North central , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,457
Down hill,too fast then hit the brakes too hard? Just a thought.
1984 Avion 30p 9.1 meter. 2006 Dodge 3500 cummins srw short bed crew cab.
avionstream is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:19 PM   #19
Prairie Schooner II
Jim Flower's Avatar

2012 30' International
1997 25' Safari
1967 20' Globetrotter
Burlington , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,139
This is an interesting thread that should be used by an instructor in a course on accident investigation. Most safety professionals who are trained in discovering the root cause of accidents, will also get some use from it. I am neither so will not comment on the accidents, but I will comment on some of the conclusions expressed so far, based on the experience of Nelly Mclung.

Nelly was a suffragette who taught school on the Canadian Prairie during the prohibition period. In order to teach the evils of alcohol consumption to her pupils, she inserted a worm into a glass of whiskey. The worm promptly perished. She then sought an opinion from her eager students on the potential impact of alcohol to an individual. She was astonished to hear that little Johnny figured that if he drank lots of whiskey, he wouldn't get worms. Jim

Sent from my iPad using Airstream Forums
Jim Flower is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:19 PM   #20
Overland Adventurer
AtomicNo13's Avatar
1991 34' Excella
2009 34' Panamerica
Telluride , Colorado
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,689
Two Airstream rollovers in a month

Indeed, but older cars weighed much more than modern equivalents!
AtomicNo13 is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:23 PM   #21
Rivet Master

Vintage Kin Owner
North central , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,457
Two things I preach. A tow vehicle, trailer, and hitch set up as close to perfect as can be. And a driver with at least a limited amount of training and or experience towing. Another thing, PAYATTENTION when towing.
1984 Avion 30p 9.1 meter. 2006 Dodge 3500 cummins srw short bed crew cab.
avionstream is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:44 PM   #22
Rivet Master
RangerJay's Avatar

2002 19' Bambi
Northwestern Ontario , - on the backside of the map and just above the big green spot
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 818
Images: 44
Thanks for posting this.

You mention both of these roll-overs took place on the downhill grade coming off the Bozeman Pass - I'd be interested in knowing what the actual downhill grade was and if speeding was a factor - is it a common spot for other accidents as well?

Bambi - 2002 (The Toaster)
Pathfinder - 2009 (The Buggy)

"I'm not young enough to know everything ....."
(Oscar Wilde)
RangerJay is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:44 PM   #23
Rivet Master
mandolindave's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,086
Images: 4
would like to know more

Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety?

Avionstream had a point about going to fast then hitting the brakes too hard.I am thinking that most brake controllers hesitate before applying brakes to the trailer. The TV is stopping but the trailer wants to keep going, thus the trailer pushes the trailer …especially bad on a curve

Why don't the brake controllers apply brakes at the same time? Poor design or is it something I am missing
mandolindave is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:46 PM   #24
retired USA/USAF

2001 30' Excella
Somerset , New Jersey
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,021
I also have seen vehicles spun out and overturned in the center of a snow covered roadway. Many of them being current vehicles with full time 4x4. My theory is that of the " Full time 4x4 syndrom". I've been around, owned and driven 4x4 long before full time 4x4 was even an engineers dream. In those cases we would be driving around in 2wd until we felt slippage or saw enough snow accumulate to warrant manually engaging the 4x4. We know just what the driving conditions were and adjusted our equipment as needed. Now, jump ahead to today where so many have auto or full time 4x4. The operator never gets the feel for the road that tells them that slippery conditions are at hand and care must me taken. Nowadays we can go like *^@# but when it comes to stopping we are no better then anyone else. My point is we MUST be tuned in to the conditions at hand and adjust our driving as needed. I tow my 30' AS with a 3500 truck with 4x4. I have never had the feeling that the tail was gonna wag the dog. I'm comfortable with this ( a 2500 would work well also).
Drive safely and see ya'll on the road sometime.
Roger in NJ

" Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all the rest"
Winston Churchill 1948

TAC - NJ 18

polarlyse is online now  
Old 07-01-2015, 01:47 PM   #25
Rivet Master

Vintage Kin Owner
North central , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,457
They can be so adjusted.
1984 Avion 30p 9.1 meter. 2006 Dodge 3500 cummins srw short bed crew cab.
avionstream is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 02:01 PM   #26
2 Rivet Member
Climber's Avatar
2012 27' Flying Cloud
Portland , Oregon
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 96

Sent from my iPhone using Airstream Forums
2012 27' Flying Cloud FB (Bella)
2014 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Climber is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 02:14 PM   #27
Stefrobrts's Avatar

1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground , Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,818
Images: 50
Blog Entries: 1
I would love to know more about what happened in each of these accidents. How were they hitched, what the conditions were, how the driver's reacted?

Do you get called to a lot of Trailer incidents in that stretch of road?

Stefrobrts is offline  
Old 07-01-2015, 02:15 PM   #28
Avion Owner
PaulnGina's Avatar
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol' , USA
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,566
Images: 49
That is why I like the combination of our 1987 Avion 34W and our "old" "underpowered" 1995 Ford F-250 7.3L PowerStroke. The truck, ( extended cab with an 8' bed ) coupled with an experienced, careful, attentive driver make it a pleasure to handle. Even as-is, I would not attempt any mountain driving until I can get an exhaust brake added to the truck. I don't care how slow I might creep up the hills, but the down-hills are a very different story. Hopefully soon I can get the exhaust brake installed, then I can creep down even the steepest hills.

Thank you for posting the reports of those accidents.

PaulnGina is offline  
Closed Thread

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Just saw two Airstream motorhomes inside of two minutes tevake Classic Motorhomes 8 10-31-2014 12:30 AM
"Alice" Month Two on the polish. zagarino Cleaning, Stripping & Polishing 3 05-08-2012 08:13 AM
Two 12V vs. two six volt batteries spat61 Land Yacht/Legacy Motorhomes 37 04-22-2010 11:50 PM
Two plus two cello The Pet Forum 1 09-26-2006 02:00 PM
Two 6 volts or Two 12V series 27 LI Pets Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 0 09-07-2006 06:06 PM

Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2015 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:18 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.