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Old 07-01-2015, 01:35 PM   #15
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I also think ASes give many a false sense of "sports car like" handling. How many times do we read of those driving 70, 75, 80 mph....and "I don't even know it's back there".

FALSE

It's back there and has a lot of mass, crude brakes (compared to autos), crude suspension (compared to autos). It WILL wag the dog, when push comes to shove...no pun intended.
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Old 07-01-2015, 01:35 PM   #16
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We tow with a very stable 25' Airstream/ProPride hitch/Ram 1500 combo. No reservations whatsoever about safety because we never travel overweight or with poor weight distribution.

Apparently the issue in these accidents is overloaded and/or improperly loaded combinations; that is the limitation of light duty tow vehicles. It is good to drive home that point.
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Old 07-01-2015, 02:14 PM   #17
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The AS manual for my 1973 31' depicts a car towing the AS.

I suspect most AS can likely be safely towed with a 1/2 ton truck, especially a modern 1/2 ton PROPERLY equipped.

Note: The older models tended to weigh less per Ft.
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Down hill,too fast then hit the brakes too hard? Just a thought.
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This is an interesting thread that should be used by an instructor in a course on accident investigation. Most safety professionals who are trained in discovering the root cause of accidents, will also get some use from it. I am neither so will not comment on the accidents, but I will comment on some of the conclusions expressed so far, based on the experience of Nelly Mclung.

Nelly was a suffragette who taught school on the Canadian Prairie during the prohibition period. In order to teach the evils of alcohol consumption to her pupils, she inserted a worm into a glass of whiskey. The worm promptly perished. She then sought an opinion from her eager students on the potential impact of alcohol to an individual. She was astonished to hear that little Johnny figured that if he drank lots of whiskey, he wouldn't get worms. Jim


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Two Airstream rollovers in a month

Indeed, but older cars weighed much more than modern equivalents!
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Two things I preach. A tow vehicle, trailer, and hitch set up as close to perfect as can be. And a driver with at least a limited amount of training and or experience towing. Another thing, PAYATTENTION when towing.
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Old 07-01-2015, 02:44 PM   #22
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Thanks for posting this.

You mention both of these roll-overs took place on the downhill grade coming off the Bozeman Pass - I'd be interested in knowing what the actual downhill grade was and if speeding was a factor - is it a common spot for other accidents as well?


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would like to know more

Not being skeptical ….just don't know

How does overloading the rear of the tow vehicle adversely effect safety?


Avionstream had a point about going to fast then hitting the brakes too hard.I am thinking that most brake controllers hesitate before applying brakes to the trailer. The TV is stopping but the trailer wants to keep going, thus the trailer pushes the trailer …especially bad on a curve


Why don't the brake controllers apply brakes at the same time? Poor design or is it something I am missing
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I also have seen vehicles spun out and overturned in the center of a snow covered roadway. Many of them being current vehicles with full time 4x4. My theory is that of the " Full time 4x4 syndrom". I've been around, owned and driven 4x4 long before full time 4x4 was even an engineers dream. In those cases we would be driving around in 2wd until we felt slippage or saw enough snow accumulate to warrant manually engaging the 4x4. We know just what the driving conditions were and adjusted our equipment as needed. Now, jump ahead to today where so many have auto or full time 4x4. The operator never gets the feel for the road that tells them that slippery conditions are at hand and care must me taken. Nowadays we can go like *^@# but when it comes to stopping we are no better then anyone else. My point is we MUST be tuned in to the conditions at hand and adjust our driving as needed. I tow my 30' AS with a 3500 truck with 4x4. I have never had the feeling that the tail was gonna wag the dog. I'm comfortable with this ( a 2500 would work well also).
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They can be so adjusted.
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I would love to know more about what happened in each of these accidents. How were they hitched, what the conditions were, how the driver's reacted?

Do you get called to a lot of Trailer incidents in that stretch of road?
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That is why I like the combination of our 1987 Avion 34W and our "old" "underpowered" 1995 Ford F-250 7.3L PowerStroke. The truck, ( extended cab with an 8' bed ) coupled with an experienced, careful, attentive driver make it a pleasure to handle. Even as-is, I would not attempt any mountain driving until I can get an exhaust brake added to the truck. I don't care how slow I might creep up the hills, but the down-hills are a very different story. Hopefully soon I can get the exhaust brake installed, then I can creep down even the steepest hills.

Thank you for posting the reports of those accidents.
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