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Old 07-06-2015, 02:08 PM   #239
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No tow vehicle will compensate for a lack of knowledge/common sense. Unfortunately this a common thread throughout human civilization.

It has been proven that some people can tow an Airsteam with a bicycle. It also been proven many times over that some people aren't safe with the best engineered system.

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Old 07-06-2015, 04:07 PM   #240
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Doesn't matter which tow vehicle you have; without trailer brakes you won't stop in time. Andy Thomson would challenge the truck only pundits with the fact that the Dodge TVs they set up had 12 Inch 4-Wheel Disc brakes....which most 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks do not! He stated the cars would stop faster than the trucks if trailer brakes failed

BTW locking up wheels does not make for faster stopping...hence antilock brakes

But to keep this in perspective, search for the new truck rating system for towing. One of the criteria is how well the truck can stop a trailer without trailer brakes. This all comes from an initiative by the government to regulate towing capacity claims
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:50 PM   #241
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BTW locking up wheels does not make for faster stopping...hence antilock brakes

just for clarification, i used to ride performance MCs at high rates of speed on the track. i consider myself an 'expert' braker, stoppies are not a challenge. i could obtain about 1.5 Gs of braking force without locking up the wheels. ever heard your tires howling from the load?

now we add on ABS and guess what, your braking distance INCREASES. that's right, the pulsing of the system adds length to the stopping distance. almost cost me my life in avoiding an errant deer crossing directly in front of me when that ABS kicked in. BMW MCs are set to engage at 1 g, not enough headroom for good quality braking on dry surfaces. sold that BMW the next week.

so the moral of my tale is learn to take your braking force to the max without engaging that ABS and you will stop way shorter than once it starts pulsing. of course all of this on dry roadways.
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I thought the purpose of ABS was to keep the vehicle stopping in a straight line.
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and of course, that was the original message which folks seem to have forgotten.
It might of gotten lost with the insults about our impending death.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:45 PM   #244
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....."your braking distance INCREASES."

Maybe, but not usually in Buffalo's snow, and as Doug noted, being able to steer is kind'a nice too.

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When I gained by college degree in applied mathematics, I understood that the purpose of brakes is to convert kinetic energy (m*v^2) , not momentum (m*v), into heat energy. Additionally, the kinetic energy of a system does not increase exponentially with speed (e^v) It increases with the square (v^2)
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I accept that this amount of detail is not required in a discussion forum such as this, but such detail, if quoted, needs to be accurate, and referenced, IMHO.
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Thanks for cleaning up my rushed and somewhat shoddy math. But while I indeed erred in the detail, the point I was making still stands.
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So according to the 2008 Trailer Life towing guide the 3.5L v-6 Odyssey has a factory tow rating of 3,500 # .

You are advocating towing a triple axle 30' Airstream that weighs double your tow rating ! Just because you can , doesn't mean you should !

This is irresponsible !

On this side of the US boarder it is unlawful to exceed the tow rating and will get the lawyers involved in case of an collision.
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Speed is the devil. A VW bug should be able to safely tow any trailer up to 5 mph. Sway at 5 mph is hard to imagine. No doubt the accidents described by the OP were due to speed above the tow vehicles ability to handle. A F350 diesel will happily roll above its safe speed.

It's been my observation that the heavy truck drivers when towing will push the speed envolope more agressivly than most others. Maybe it's because their engines are more powerful and it's a easier thing to do.
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On this side of the US boarder it is unlawful to exceed the tow rating and will get the lawyers involved in case of an collision.
Source?

On this side of the border, weight ratings have legal significance. Tow ratings don't.
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Ford f150 ecoboost, pulling Eddie Bauer 25... conclusion? Going shopping for a 2500/3500 silverado. Tail wagged me a few too many times.
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Ford f150 ecoboost, pulling Eddie Bauer 25... conclusion? Going shopping for a 2500/3500 silverado. Tail wagged me a few too many times.
That is a surprise. Do you have a pic of your rig? What kind of connection system are you using? thnxs
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On this side of the US boarder it is unlawful to exceed the tow rating and will get the lawyers involved in case of an collision.
This is not true. No law enforcement agency is concerned with a vehicle's tow rating that I've ever heard or seen. Just more internet forum myth. Please cite any case of someone being cited, charged or sued for exceeding the Manufacturer's TOW RATING.

They are concerned with Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, Gross Combination Weight Rating and Front and Rear Axle Weight Ratings. Even then, I've yet to see, hear or read of an actual case where someone with a personal use towable RV or other trailer was cited, charge, held, convicted or sued for exceeding any of those ratings.

Right now across the highways of the USA there are thousands of 1/2T, 3/4T, and 1T vans, trucks and SUVs being used for commercial applications that are exceeding the manufacturer's TOW RATING.
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I grew up in rural Iowa on a corn farm. I started driving things at an early age. I've driven lots of things over the years starting with an old Cub Cadet lawn mower up to an 8x8 HEMTT truck in the Army. I was a driver instructor for many years. One of the first things I learned trying to teach people to safely operate Army vehicles, was that we all have differing sets of skills. Some people are bad drivers, and it doesn't matter what vehicle they operate, or how much training they receive, they are not, and never will be, a "good" driver. Sometimes these people tow Airstream trailers and roll them going down a hill on a sunny day, or roll them on a flat straight road. Putting them behind the wheel of a 3/4T pickup does not make them a better or safer driver.
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