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Old 01-29-2011, 07:25 PM   #1
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TV too strong!

Hi all,

I posted a while back a thread about a potential bent A frame. Lots of posts resulted but eventually closed by Admin for "review". It was never reopened.

I stored my AS for the winter and never really looked back at the thread until now.

I will "relaunch" the thread in spring once I properly evaluate the A frame, but, in the meantime, I wanted to respond to a few of the posts I saw.

The claim that my TV (F350) was too strong for my AS (27FB) and therefore the source of the potential stress, could be a valid argument BUT, to throw that claim as a general rule is I believe reckless.

Yes indeed, if you want to cruise around flat interstates and only go to private campgrounds, the claim that a SUV, sedan or light truck is sufficient "might" have some credibility. You can enjoy the "bouncy" drive so long gusty winds or huge semi truck don't come your way. As a matter of fact, I was going to tow my AS with an SUV and realize (thanks to this forum) that it was plain silly. Why?

Because when I go camping, I go for 2-3 months, I have in or on the TV, a 20 foot aluminum canoe, generator, gasoline tanks, lots of fresh water tanks, fishing gear, two barbecue, four bicycles, wake-boards, chairs, tables...etc and I almost forgot my wife, two children and dog

And guess what, I typically don't like places along interstates. I like explore remote places. Sometimes off-road, sometimes 9,000 feet, going up or down at 15+% grade with sharp turns along ravins (sometimes with no safety railings - ask my wife!!), rain, snow, wind. All that pulling a big trailer and fully loaded TV.

Bottom line, if you wish to cruise, great for you, but no one should endanger others, especially newbies looking for crucial information, by making silly claims like this just because it "works" for you.

I'll be back.
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:24 PM   #2
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I think there are just trying to help.

Have you really been going on these trips with your 2010 Airstream, or is that the plan. Endanger others, what about your family? I've been on those trips, but would never consider it with a large Airstream, no matter the tow vehicle.

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Old 01-30-2011, 06:56 AM   #3
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I think there are just trying to help.

Have you really been going on these trips with your 2010 Airstream, or is that the plan. Endanger others, what about your family? I've been on those trips, but would never consider it with a large Airstream, no matter the tow vehicle.

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I am not disputing the fact that the posters' intent is trying to help but, my point is that while doing so posters should actually put their comments in context. Again, just to say that all 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are too stiff and inadequate to tow AS is irresponsible. I am glad I did not follow their advice and hope others won't.

Yes, I recently completed a 5 months trip from East to West coast through the NM and CO mountains, Big Sur and Trinity in California. The TV handled it perfectly and never felt a loss of control. Btw, that Hill Descent Assist of Ford is really neat. I would never attempt to go to the same places without my TV.

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Old 01-30-2011, 07:37 AM   #4
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I am not disputing the fact that the posters' intent is trying to help but, my point is that while doing so posters should actually put their comments in context. Again, just to say that all 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are too stiff and inadequate to tow AS is irresponsible. I am glad I did not follow their advice and hope others won't.

Yes, I recently completed a 5 months trip from East to West coast through the NM and CO mountains, Big Sur and Trinity in California. The TV handled it perfectly and never felt a loss of control. Btw, that Hill Descent Assist of Ford is really neat. I would never attempt to go to the same places without my TV.

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i have towed with 3500 1 ton 4x4 for last 20 years, best control tv you can have. camped at alot of campgrounds in the mountains and foot hills and i'll tell you all campgrounds spaces are not level. some spaces that you have to back into are so steep a light tv would sit there and spinn. i have watched them do that. i can tell you a lot of crazy things i have seen watching people with there tv rig, i have a lot of fun watching people comeing and going in campgrounds, thats part of the fun camping.
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Old 01-30-2011, 07:55 AM   #5
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Just my opinion, but I think you should tow your Airstream with whatever you want, as long as it makes you happy, and you are NOT towing more trailer than your tow vehicle is rated for.

YMMV
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:48 AM   #6
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You're not going to bend the A frame because the truck is too stiff.... however, I'd be suspicious if you have a weight distributing hitch with heavy bars and you tow in places where the truck develops a real nose up angle with respect to the trailer. This puts a lot of bending moment on the front A frame.

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You're not going to bend the A frame because the truck is too stiff.... however, I'd be suspicious if you have a weight distributing hitch with heavy bars and you tow in places where the truck develops a real nose up angle with respect to the trailer. This puts a lot of bending moment on the front A frame.

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If I went offroad with a 1 ton and an airstream the w/d bars would be in the bed of the truck.
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May be not too strong but the tension on the weight distribution bars is too high. I tow with an F-250 Diesel. Many do. The also tow with Dodge 2500 and the Chevy 2500.
I have broken several parts of the WD set up over the years.
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:44 AM   #9
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I have a 2500 Silverado, and had heavyweight bars. Switched down to the 600 lb bars and the difference in vibration inside the trailer is great. I've got magnets on the stove hood that always used to bounce loose. Not any more. Towing control is still great. It is a given that I don't tow in the Rockies being in Virginia, but I've learned to slow way down on potholed roads, and I agree if I were offroading I'd loosen or remove the bars.

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I have a 2500 Silverado, and had heavyweight bars. Switched down to the 600 lb bars and the difference in vibration inside the trailer is great. I've got magnets on the stove hood that always used to bounce loose. Not any more. Towing control is still great. It is a given that I don't tow in the Rockies being in Virginia, but I've learned to slow way down on potholed roads, and I agree if I were offroading I'd loosen or remove the bars.

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Paula, did you see in the news that rosie had died, good write up on her.
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I have a 2500 Silverado, and had heavyweight bars. Switched down to the 600 lb bars and the difference in vibration inside the trailer is great. I've got magnets on the stove hood that always used to bounce loose. Not any more. Towing control is still great. It is a given that I don't tow in the Rockies being in Virginia, but I've learned to slow way down on potholed roads, and I agree if I were offroading I'd loosen or remove the bars.
Same experience here with my F350. The lighter bars made a huge difference. I also agree with removing the bars on bad roads. All things considered, I much rather have too much TV than too little. With my new F250, I can pull it anywhere and stop it anytime.
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I've never had a heavy duty pickup, but you never know.

Having trouble understanding how a heavier pickup stops better than a lighter one, or holds the speed down better with trailer attached on a steep downgrade. Seems more mass means harder to stop.

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Old 01-31-2011, 12:20 AM   #13
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My response to this question is as follows: I have heard of problems towing with a heavy duty vehicle, but have not seen or noticed any problems myself! Andy has stated to me I would kill my Airstream towing with my truck, but to this day I repeat I have not had a problem. I do not tow recklessly and slow down on bad roads so as not to put unecessary strain on the a- frame. I do not use load equalizer bars or anything else other than the ball and safety chains. At this time I have over 8000 miles of towing with no problems far. I believe I have one of if not the largest tow vehicle on this forum (see pics). Just my two cents, but so far so good.

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I've never had a heavy duty pickup, but you never know.

Having trouble understanding how a heavier pickup stops better than a lighter one, or holds the speed down better with trailer attached on a steep downgrade. Seems more mass means harder to stop.

Doug
Bigger truck has more mass, yes, but also has a higher load and towing capacity. Bigger brakes and heavier suspension for better control. In my mind I'm comparing towing my 8000# AS with a F150 as opposed to my F250.
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