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Old 02-24-2015, 10:23 AM   #1
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I own a Honda Pilot and it will be my primary TV for my (new to me) 19" FC. My curret tires are getting to the point where I have to replace them and I am wondering if I should get a more heavy duty tire if it is available. My current tires are 235 60 18 . In the past I have had heavy duty trucks that had heavy duty tires so I have never been worried. I want to make the best decision on the tires so any help would be appreciated.

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Old 02-24-2015, 10:59 AM   #2
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:31 PM   #3
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Hello!

I own a Honda Pilot and it will be my primary TV for my (new to me) 19" FC. My curret tires are getting to the point where I have to replace them and I am wondering if I should get a more heavy duty tire if it is available. My current tires are 235 60 18 . In the past I have had heavy duty trucks that had heavy duty tires so I have never been worried. I want to make the best decision on the tires so any help would be appreciated.



Thanks, Rich

Just got the Michelin Pilot AS3 in 235/55x18s, replaced the OEM Michelin 235/60x18s on the Lexus. We're towing a FC20


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Old 02-25-2015, 05:19 AM   #4
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Thanks TC. Do you know the load rating difference?
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Old 02-25-2015, 06:00 AM   #5
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Hello!
I own a Honda Pilot and it will be my primary TV for my (new to me) 19" FC. My curret tires are getting to the point where I have to replace them and I am wondering if I should get a more heavy duty tire if it is available. My current tires are 235 60 18 . In the past I have had heavy duty trucks that had heavy duty tires so I have never been worried. I want to make the best decision on the tires so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Rich
Going up a ply rating would be good for towing.
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Old 02-25-2015, 06:38 AM   #6
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I think TCwheels going from a 235/60R18 to a 235/55R18 is the wrong direction. That is going down in load carrying capacity, unless you also go from an SL to an XL AND increase the inflation pressure.

I think a better solution is to go to a larger tire. According to Continental's web site, a Honda Pilot could use a 255/55R18, a 245/50R18 XL, and a 245/60R18 - all have larger load carrying capacities.
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Thanks for the responses. I have been looking at tire web sites and trying to figure out how to compare apples to oranges . It seems like every manufacturer has there own way of putting tire info on the site. I went to Contenintal's site and they do have the +0 options but their load ratings are in letters (XL, SL etc) while other mfgs have numbers (103, 104, etc) I guess I will have to go to the local tire store(s) for some better info. Very confusing but I do appreciate the input.
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Thanks for the responses. I have been looking at tire web sites and trying to figure out how to compare apples to oranges . It seems like every manufacturer has there own way of putting tire info on the site. I went to Contenintal's site and they do have the +0 options but their load ratings are in letters (XL, SL etc) while other mfgs have numbers (103, 104, etc) I guess I will have to go to the local tire store(s) for some better info. Very confusing but I do appreciate the input.
Please don't go to a tire store to get educated, because you're more likely to be misinformed by the person behind the counter.

I have attached a screen shot here for your reference from Tirerack, finding the load ratings online is simple. XL/SL.103 etc are all industry standards, just like Load Range E tires. They're not trying to confuse you.

Tirerack has an education section on this to help you clearly understand it: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=55

PS, I just randomly picked a tire.

A lot of folks love Michelins, like hard core love them. Not just on this forum either. Get what makes you the most happy and secure in your decision.
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On my Ridgeline I went from the Michy's to Cooper Truck tires and have been very happy with them. They do tend to ride just a bit harsher but seem to tow better than the OEM's.
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Thanks for the good input. I went to the tire stores, got some ideas and came back to research. My current Michilen tires have a load rating of 102 with a 60k tread. I found that Mastercraft (made by Cooper) made a 255 15 18 tire (HSX) that is basically the same diameter but just a bit wider and is also a 60K tread. The load rating on that tire is 109 giving me a fair amount of increase. I think this should work. 102= 1874 lbs, 109=2271
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The load carrying capacity of the tires is not really an issue here. The GVWR of the Pilot should be about 6,100 lbs, while the total capacity of the stock tires is about 7,500. You don't want to reduce this margin to any great degree, but in my opinion increasing it is not necessarily going to get you the result you want, which is optimum stability.

Many of today's low profile tires are not performance tires; they are designed for looks and a comfortable ride. I'm guessing that you currently have Michelin MXV4s or MXM4s, which are "touring" tires - quiet, decent riding, not very sticky. (I've owned both.)

A performance tire, as suggested by TCWheels, is worth considering. To get the size you need, you might consider something from the Michelin Latitude series which were developed specifically for SUVs. This should give you a stiffer sidewall and better steering response than the current tires, and there is a range of choices in the Latitude series.

The downside is that true high performance tires don't last long - maybe 20,000 miles - and are most expensive. Therefore, most people will end up trading performance for durability.

A lower profile will tend to give you a stiffer sidewall, but if you go this route you will need to buy 255/55/18s to maintain speedometer accuracy. The stock wheels are 8" wide at the rim, and you will want an opinion on whether they will be too narrow for the 255s. You don't want the rims to be "hunting" inside the tires. Another way of looking at this - the 55% sidewall may give you a stiffer tire, but you may be giving up the stability you gain because the 255 mm section width is too much for the stock wheel. I'm not sure if a tire shop can give you a straight answer, but it can't hurt to ask.

This is not a simple decision. You might prefer the look and feel of an LT tire, but you might struggle to find the right size and you may not like what it does to the quiet and comfortable ride of the Pilot for daily driving.

FWIW, I too am a Michelin fan. I have owned 9 sets of various types, and haven't had a problem with any of them. I particularly like how they stay in balance - something that I have found to be a problem with most brands, at least in the past.
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Michelin consistently makes the best tires, but it can be hard finding one for a particular vehicle. The have very good traction, even when worn, last a long time and ride smoothly. You could stick with the OEM tires if they are Michelins. You could see if the same tire is available with a better load rating. I think you already checked this.

Instead of passenger tires for a SUV which may be a passenger car underneath, try to find an LT tire that fits. If you research tire sites don't enter your vehicle because it will give you OEM type tires rather than upgrades to LT tires. A true snow tire is better for winter traction, so avoid all season tires. Check Michelin LTX tires and see what fits on your Pilot. Load Range C may be fine for your Pilot, but you could try Load Range D or E. Now they are using numbers for load range, but that is, I think, mainly for passenger tires. C used to be 6 ply, D, 8, and E, 10 ply. Plies meant nothing after a while because they could make tires with fewer plies that had the same capacities as the old tires, so they went to letters. Passenger tires are now using X, XL or whatever and they make no sense to me.

Michelin LTX also has an all terrain version, but you probably don't need it. Look up LTX M+S (mud + snow) and see if you can match the size or come close. Keep in mind what CapriRacer said about size (post #6).

I looked on the Michelin site and came up with Latitude by just entering tire size. I tried by entering LTX M/S and got stuck. It used to be easier to do this by tire size regardless of the vehicle, but they have made that harder; probably misguided liability concerns. Keep at it. Perhaps you can do better fooling the website.

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The 55s will actual fit my wheels better than the stock 60s, therefore gaining stability two ways. Load rating is easily over what I need for my 20' - even wet.
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Oh, and I'm not concerned about the 1.2 mph inaccuracy of my speedo at 60 moving from 60s to 55s...
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