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Old 11-15-2010, 09:57 AM   #15
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I have a teardrop trailer for sale that would look awesome behind your FJ40!!!
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:14 AM   #16
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OK, I'm confused. The FJ45 shows coil over link suspension at all four corners. The FJ40 in your original post shows leafs at all 4 corners. Which are you getting. Makes a BIG difference in our discussion. FJ45 is a longer wheelbase as well.
Apologies for the confusion.

I'm getting the FJ40.

The pics in my original post were intended to give people an idea of what the vehicle looked like (wheelbase, height, etc). However, under the body in those pics, is the old chassis & suspension (Gen I) which ICON used to use.

The new (Gen II) FJ ICONS (FJ40s, FJ43s & FJ45s) each have their own custom made Art Morrison chassis, & now sport the coil over spring suspensions.

In the vid below (at the 50 sec mark & 1:50 mark) they're explained & shown:

YouTube - ICON


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Old 11-15-2010, 10:38 AM   #17
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I have a teardrop trailer for sale that would look awesome behind your FJ40!!!
Hey Bluejaydave,

I feel like I know you!

Prior to registering,... I did alot of reading about TVs with short wheelbases - including your thread, regarding your Wrangler as a tow vehicle. When I got to the end of the thread, & read that you pulled the trigger on a 16ftr,... & then read that you hadn't had any problems - I felt optimistic about my chances!

That is a great looking Teardrop - One of the best I've seen!

If I was to go that route,... I was looking at the Adventure Trails, Teardrop model. More of an off-road/overland setup.


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ps - Your Wrangler A/S setup looks sweeet!!
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:00 AM   #18
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Apologies for the confusion.

I'm getting the FJ40.

The pics in my original post were intended to give people an idea of what the vehicle looked like (wheelbase, height, etc). However, under the body in those pics, is the old chassis & suspension (Gen I) which ICON used to use.

The new (Gen II) FJ ICONS (FJ40s, FJ43s & FJ45s) each have their own custom made Art Morrison chassis, & now sport the coil over spring suspensions.

In the vid below (at the 50 sec mark & 1:50 mark) they're explained & shown:

YouTube - ICON


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Ah, I see! I would venture to ASSUME (always dangerous to assume, but), in my professional, vocational experience that the new suspension is vastly improved from the original leaf setup. I would revise my above comments relative to concerns to center of gravity and short wheelbase.

I would think a 16'er would be fine. I'd still stay below 55 - 60MPH (because of the CG and WB issue, and definitely don't scrimp on the hitch choice and setup.

I have NO experience with the Hensley nor the Pro-Pride, but I'd certainly investigate them for this setup. I'm sure others will chime in.

I'd also discuss this with the folks at Icon. Maybe their is an experienced tow'er in that organization.

Let us know how you make out!
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:17 PM   #19
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I've got two '76 FJ40's, one since new and I'd have to just say that the wheelbase and compliant suspension is my only concern. As has been said, you can't tear them up so drivetrain, etc. is not a concern even if it were bone stock original. With that power plant you won't have any troubles going...the stopping would concern me only due to the wheelbase...see jackknifing here. I learned to drive on one in Montana and any amount of slick on the road and it wanted to swap ends. I've pulled a number of trailers with mine but always on logging roads and never over 20mph...they were designed for that. Unless the steering ratio is revamped (and powered), you couldn't possibly correct in time to avoid it changing directions. The compliant suspension allows it go anywhere but body roll and pitch/heave don't make it a stellar TV...marginal at best. But I (reluctantly) agree, keep it at a reasonable speed, no snow/ice and you should be fine.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:59 PM   #20
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Hey Marc - Thanks for the info & feedback! Great to hear from some FJ40 LC owners.

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With that power plant you won't have any troubles going...the stopping would concern me only due to the wheelbase...see jackknifing here.
I knew that I wanted to tow (something), so I upgraded to the StopTech Sport Brake package (15-inch rotors with six-piston fronts and four-piston rears). I also plan to get the best brake control system I can, for my TT. Below are some pics of the ICON's brakes:





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Unless the steering ratio is revamped (and powered), you couldn't possibly correct in time to avoid it changing directions.
The steering has been updated & powered. The steering system was designed for mild power effect & maximum control in all environments. Some Specs:
* PSC stage four steering box (4 rotations left to right)
* 14.7:1 mild rotation, for safe high speed off-pavement control
* NASCAR style alloy type II high efficiency pump w/ remote reserve
* Single turn steering shaft w/ Borgenson Joint
* One ton GM steering arms & ends

Much of the above, I culled from the ICON specs. Not sure if these upgrades elevate your stated concerns. I realize somethings between the old FJ40s & the ICON haven't changed (wheelbase, height).

Thanks again for your insights!


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Old 11-15-2010, 06:44 PM   #21
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I've got two '76 FJ40's, one since new and I'd have to just say that the wheelbase and compliant suspension is my only concern. As has been said, you can't tear them up so drivetrain, etc. is not a concern even if it were bone stock original. With that power plant you won't have any troubles going...the stopping would concern me only due to the wheelbase...see jackknifing here. I learned to drive on one in Montana and any amount of slick on the road and it wanted to swap ends. I've pulled a number of trailers with mine but always on logging roads and never over 20mph...they were designed for that. Unless the steering ratio is revamped (and powered), you couldn't possibly correct in time to avoid it changing directions. The compliant suspension allows it go anywhere but body roll and pitch/heave don't make it a stellar TV...marginal at best. But I (reluctantly) agree, keep it at a reasonable speed, no snow/ice and you should be fine.
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Uh...yeah...those old drums were....well....interesting! I know the new setup would eliminate the issues posted....HOWEVER...great brakes still do not trump swapping ends with a short wheelbase. Physics be physics...and always will be (although we're getting very good on cheating physics). Murphy still RULES!!! Never forget that!
Buy it, tow it....but PLEASE be prudent (until you unhitch and go rock crawlin' or muddin....then all bets are off!!!!!)
Send photos!!! I gotta love it!! (can I live vicariously thru you?)
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I gotta tell you. I can't find ANYTHING that is second class from a cost nor engineering standpoint from all the pics you have posted. Inertia is your only enemy here. I wish I had the means to own one of these!

I think I'd go FJ45 this time around. This is me......lovin' it

Can I abuse it off road sometime?
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I've got two '76 FJ40's, one since new and I'd have to just say that the wheelbase and compliant suspension is my only concern. As has been said, you can't tear them up so drivetrain, etc. is not a concern even if it were bone stock original. With that power plant you won't have any troubles going...the stopping would concern me only due to the wheelbase...see jackknifing here. I learned to drive on one in Montana and any amount of slick on the road and it wanted to swap ends. I've pulled a number of trailers with mine but always on logging roads and never over 20mph...they were designed for that. Unless the steering ratio is revamped (and powered), you couldn't possibly correct in time to avoid it changing directions. The compliant suspension allows it go anywhere but body roll and pitch/heave don't make it a stellar TV...marginal at best. But I (reluctantly) agree, keep it at a reasonable speed, no snow/ice and you should be fine.
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Wanna sell one to a po' ol' boy....cheap? I'd love to get back in the game again!
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CLK,
Those are some mean brakes...should be plenty but as dzn said, physics is physics...it's more the wheelbase in this case. Both of mine have front discs and even when I had to tow a 10k bobcat down a fairly steep, rutted dirt road I never felt like I didn't have the brakes, just had to keep that trailer directly behind at all times else we were going to swap who's doin' what. Even the stock drums in back have two slave cylinders...they knew what they were doing when they designed them back then. Just be careful and recognize they are purpose (re-purpose?) built vehicles with very peculiar manners compared to what I would call traditional vehicles.

dznf0g,
I'd love to be able to get rid of one or both but seems like they've become part of the family now and even though I have three girls (two so far have had the pleasure of learning to drive stick in an FJ40), they don't have much interest in them anymore but anytime I mention selling them to a good home they say I can't. At this rate, the one I learned to drive at 16 and the same one my girls learned on will probably be teaching my grand kids.

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Old 11-16-2010, 08:55 PM   #25
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Thanks Guys!

I called the people at Airstream Adventures Northwest (they're in Portland OR). I'm going to try & go down there this week, to look around. They have a, 2011 Airstream 16' Sport, in stock. Link below:
2011 Airstream 16' Sport - Airstream Oregon Dealer

A couple questions:
1) Should I start a separate thread on this topic
2) Is/will there be any significant changes/differences, between a 2010 & 2011 model? (My TV will not be ready until after the new year, so no rush on my part to buy now,.. I even have the time to special order)

3) What are some important/relevant things I should look at?
4) What are some important/relevant things I should ask about?

Finally, some info about myself & how I plan to use the trailer:

I'm a 42 yr old bachelor, have no kids, & never been married. I might get a small dog. I also have boats, & am used to living in small quarters. My brother & his family have a larger TT, as does my mother. I will be doing family trips with them, & therefore, will be 'socializing' in a larger TT than my 16ftr. I won't be going out every weekend - more like 6 times a year.

Hope the info above gives some color into how I plan to use it, & therefore, give you all, an idea of what I should look for, &/or think about.

Thanks again!
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