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Old 02-20-2019, 09:29 AM   #1
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TV for 25' AS

I am shopping for a TV for a future AS, most likely a 23 or 25FB. I find it hard to believe that a 25' AS could require a 3/4 Ton truck but my research is leaning me that way if you want a fully loaded high end TV. A review I found on a 2019 Ram 4x4 Limited stated that with all the upgrades on the truck the payload had been reduced to under 1200 pounds and that it was common to see on fully loaded 1/2 tons. If that is true and a 25' AS has an 800 plus pound tongue weight the truck would be maxed out after adding two adults. So if I want to haul kayaks, bikes, generator, firewood... I would be looking at a 3/4 ton which on the surface seems like overkill!! I figured if I ever went that large I would go diesel which really seems like overkill!

Appreciate your thoughts and experience with reduced payloads fully loaded 1/2 tons.

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Old 02-20-2019, 10:23 AM   #2
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You'll discover that this forum has lots of opinions, and most are based on, "Do it my way".
I'd want a tow package, but most 1/2 ton trucks pull Airstreams with no problem.
If your TV is also your daily driver, like mine is, then parking in a normal space at the grocery store is important. I also don't want to use a stepladder to get in and out.
If your TV doesn't get used except for towing, go big, use the Porsche for the grocery store.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:29 AM   #3
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You'll discover that this forum has lots of opinions, and most are based on, "Do it my way".
I'd want a tow package, but most 1/2 ton trucks pull Airstreams with no problem.
If your TV is also your daily driver, like mine is, then parking in a normal space at the grocery store is important. I also don't want to use a stepladder to get in and out.
If your TV doesn't get used except for towing, go big, use the Porsche for the grocery store.
I wish I could keep the Porsche for groceries but my condo only leaves me with room for one car... and that I have to squeeze into a condo garage, no mega cab for me=) I think a 1/2 ton would tow the 25' AS with ease, but it's shocking how quickly you can be over on the axle rating of the TV.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:40 AM   #4
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You’ll find lots of people tow 25’ Airstrems behind 1/2 ton trucks with the right weight distribution hitch. I have a F150 and it does just fine though you do, as you say, have to be careful about the options you choose and their negative impact on payload. I wouldn’t want a 3/4 ton because I use that truck as a daily commute vehicle in the city.
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I am shopping for a TV for a future AS, most likely a 23 or 25FB. I find it hard to believe that a 25' AS could require a 3/4 Ton truck but my research is leaning me that way if you want a fully loaded high end TV. A review I found on a 2019 Ram 4x4 Limited stated that with all the upgrades on the truck the payload had been reduced to under 1200 pounds and that it was common to see on fully loaded 1/2 tons. If that is true and a 25' AS has an 800 plus pound tongue weight the truck would be maxed out after adding two adults. So if I want to haul kayaks, bikes, generator, firewood... I would be looking at a 3/4 ton which on the surface seems like overkill!! I figured if I ever went that large I would go diesel which really seems like overkill!

Appreciate your thoughts and experience with reduced payloads fully loaded 1/2 tons.

Thank You
Make sure that your look at the door sticker that states the cargo capacity for the actual truck that you wish to buy.

Don't count on weights that appear in brochures or on manufacturers web site. They can be wildly different than the actual capacity.

Also, my 2016 RAM 2500 has a reduced size spare wheel and tire. This weight saving move by RAM means that you might want to carry a full size spare and wheel if you venture into the wilds with your Airstream. I wouldn't have ordered my RAM if I'd know this ahead of time.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:48 AM   #6
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I have had a few Tundras over the last 13 years and have towed over 200K miles with no issues.
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RAM payloads seem to be lighter than other makes. I see and know many people who pull Airstreams with well equipped 1/2 tons. Most recently the Ford Ecoboosts can be had with larger payloads (but less well equipped). A friend traded his 250 diesel for a Platium 150 and loves it with his 30 footer. Try to look at the axle ratings instead of just the payload. I think payload does include a light weight driver and a full fuel tank. You have to make your decisions but to me going over payload on a 1/2 ton would not be a huge issue. It is only while you are towing, you control the speed, and then you unhitch and things are fine again. (Except for RAM, that is reported to have a sensor for overload and might void the warranty)

I have pulled my 25 with a 2500 diesel for the last 12 years. The harsh ride when empty has been the main negative. And the differential fuel cost right now is an irritation.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:20 PM   #8
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Not sure about the 2019's, but I know you can easily get a 2018 GM with the 6.2 and MaxTow with around 2000lb payload.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:10 AM   #9
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I tow my 23FB with a Mercedes 450 GLS. A very nice, comfortable and stable tow. At 70 MPH I get 12.5 MPG. Once at the camp ground it accommodates up to 7 passengers.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:14 AM   #10
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I am shopping for a TV for a future AS, most likely a 23 or 25FB. I find it hard to believe that a 25' AS could require a 3/4 Ton truck but my research is leaning me that way if you want a fully loaded high end TV. A review I found on a 2019 Ram 4x4 Limited stated that with all the upgrades on the truck the payload had been reduced to under 1200 pounds and that it was common to see on fully loaded 1/2 tons. If that is true and a 25' AS has an 800 plus pound tongue weight the truck would be maxed out after adding two adults. So if I want to haul kayaks, bikes, generator, firewood... I would be looking at a 3/4 ton which on the surface seems like overkill!! I figured if I ever went that large I would go diesel which really seems like overkill!

Appreciate your thoughts and experience with reduced payloads fully loaded 1/2 tons.

Thank You
We have a 23'FB that we tow with a 2018 GMC Canyon & a good weight distribution hitch. The trailer tows fine with it and sometime we forget we have it behind us. It all depends on where you want to go and how much to haul. We try to take minimal amount of stuff.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:28 AM   #11
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As discussed there are many, many opinions on TV's. I have a 25' AS, FC and tow it with a 2013 F-150 FX4 with heavy duty tow package and an equalizer weight/distribution system installed by the dealer. I pulled it cross country from FL twice for over 20,000 miles. It pulls like a dream and have yet to have any problems while pulling over mountain ranges and in windy conditions on the great plains. The truck has 85,000 miles on it and I plan on replacing it this year with an F-150 diesel. As far as payload goes mine is minimal as I don't carry a generator or other heavy items. We do carry bikes on an AS installed rack on the trailer.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:38 AM   #12
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I would take a look at the F150 with ecoboost and run some numbers with say, a 25' Flying Cloud. I wanted to go to one car/truck and was looking at the Ecoboost. It could easily tow my 27'classic but payload went down to just about nothing. I'm pretty sure there are some threads available where someone has done the math already.
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On the Ford F-150 with the total tow package. And that’s important. Don’t just look at the word Ford nor F-150. You need to see how the truck is built. You need the ECOBOOST with the 3.5 and you need the to order the 3.73 rear end. By purchasing the Ford with the aluminum body. That will shed 500 pounds upping your payload. Also unless you absolutely need a 4x4 get a two wheel drive with the locking rear end. That will shed another 400 lbs upping you payload on your truck. I have a 25 foot FB AS with about 1100 pounds TW. I have no problems towing. Make sure you get a good hitch system with a load leveler. I have the best Reese hitch. Can cruse across TX at 75 mph no problem. Don’t listen to a dealer that sells trucks. They like to try to sell you what they have on the lot. They don’t understand math. If you need help get in touch with me. My website safetyinstitute.com and find me on the second page of associates. Look at my one sheet on towing.
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We tow an international 25 with a F-150 Super Crew Ecoboost 3.5 - Max Tow Package 11,100lb, Payload 1550lb - love my truck! tows like a dream carries the boss and I and all our stuff - no worries.
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