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Old 08-29-2008, 09:38 AM   #1
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Tundra Accidents?

I've consistently seen arguments against using the new Tundra as a tow vehicle because of its payload and tow capacity, and I understand the argument. My question is: has anyone actually seen or been involved in an accident involving one of these trucks that was attributable to them being overloaded?
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:06 PM   #2
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I have seen a few (2) on 2 different accasions sitting on the side of 271 south bound in the middle of a hill (not a steep grade) but maybe 3 miles long. With there hoods up. Guys standing infront of hood walking around on there cell phones?? No accidents but they were both pulling small garden trailers/ 16ft flatbeds one had brick on his. Not what I would consider heavy though.
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I have also sean frame flex demonstrations for all trucks. That was intresting, and either a real selling point or detering point which ever you are looking at.
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...has anyone actually seen or been involved in an accident involving one of these trucks that was attributable to them being overloaded?
would this info somehow affect your buying decision?

we've got some professional lawmen here, maybe they have the info u seek.

while accidents happen regularly, assigning cause can be tricky.

when etoh, drugs, speed or grossly defective equipment are involved it is easier to point toward these things...

but inattentiveness, driver distractions, mild physical limitations (vision/hearing)...

AND overloading are harder to prove as the PRIMARY accident causes.

even with many of these issues detailed, there will be "YES BUT" counters to the reports.

simply being OVER loaded may not be an issue at noon on a dry, windless, empty flat road at slower speeds.

but the same load at night, in the rain, with traffic or unexpected events, suddenely becomes HEAVIER and an issue.

one approach is JUST by the 'yota and try it, then if you feel uneasy or over matched by the trailer take it back.

based on this note, an anecdotal approach seems counter to your thinking here...

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... I haven't yet made a purchase, but I've found that a lot of people are basing their decisions on personal experience, rather than published data (which is understandable). I've decided to research my decision, rather than use a lot of anecdotal reports of "the right way" to do it.
with 3 small children, it would seem you'll being carry LOTS of stuff and some of it vary valuable.

enthusiast of many vehicle types love to push the limits and report their 'successes' and seldom do these folks report...

"OK i screwed up badly this time"...

rating are NOT absolute breaking points, and we all wonder how they are developed. make your selection wisely.

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Old 08-29-2008, 09:46 PM   #5
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het airish I saw that post someware else.. How did you save that?
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het airish I saw that post someware else.. How did you save that?
It was from this thread:http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post605660
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:57 PM   #7
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I am still learning but finding out fast these towing questions can be redundent. I need to stay away from them. It seems simple from what I can see over time up to 25 ft is ok for Half ton.. Pick one. 27 28 29 you are in no mans land. and over 30 ft go 3/4 ton. pretty simple.
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I am still learning but finding out fast these towing questions can be redundent. I need to stay away from them. It seems simple from what I can see over time up to 25 ft is ok for Half ton.. Pick one. 27 28 29 you are in no mans land. and over 30 ft go 3/4 ton. pretty simple.
I think you've hit the limit with 25' due to payload capacity not towing capacity. A 25' trailer has around a 750 pound hitch weight. Subtract that from around 1500-1600 total payload capacity and that leaves you with 750 pounds or so for people, fuel in the truck and whatever you plan on putting in the bed of the truck.

Let's say you put a topper on, add another 150 to 190 pounds. Let's say you like kayaking and want to put a couple of those on top of your truck. How much do they weigh?

You get the picture.

You have to look at the TOTAL package and what you really plan on using your trailer for. Short weekend trips around the corner. Or do you plan on making some long distance, take all the goodies type of trip?

Granted we ended up buying a used 34' trailer and the 3/4 ton was a no brainer. However, we were originally looking at a smaller newer trailer initially and it was quite evident that the 3/4 ton was still the right option.

We're on one of those take all the goodies type trip and I haven't come close to exceeding any of my TV's capabilities.

(I weighed the rig on this trip and here's my numbers: Front axle weighed 5240 lbs and has 6000 pound rating, rear axle 5200 lbs with a 6200 pound rating and the trailer weighed 7540 pounds with a 9800 pound rating (remember the hitch weight is included with the truck axles)

I have never towed anything before this combo, but subsequent to our purchase I've read some horror stories about white knuckle this, steep downhill scares etc.

I just descended the Big Horns and didn't have any of these sensations. Plus having the haha connected to the trailer doesn't hurt either.

3/4 ton truck equals big a%$ transmission, big big brakes etc.
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:47 PM   #9
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There is alot that goes into towing safely
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Old 09-02-2008, 08:49 AM   #10
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We recently took a long trip (11K+ miles) with our 23' and 1/2 ton GMC pickup. While on the trip we had an oportunity to run it accross some scales in Canada and got these numbers: Front axle, 3330 lbs. Rear axle, 3570 lbs., and trailer axles, 4475 lbs.

These numbers were loaded with everything for a six week trip, and us and the dog on board. The truck ratings are front, 3600 lbs., and rear, 3950 lbs.

All that being said, we had a great trip without ever having one issue due to loading or handling.

We have recently replaced that trailer with a newer 25' which has a total weight of about 2500 additional pounds, and about 200 lbs additional hitch weight. We have only towed this trailer about 800 miles so far, but have had no problems. I will admitt, however, the additional weight is noticable on the hills, and feel we are now at the practical limit in weight considering the truck has a 7800 lb tow rating.

This truck is my "daily driver", and I prefer the ride of the 1/2 ton over the 3/4.
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:33 PM   #11
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been towing trailers since 1985.i still wouldnt call myself a wealth of knowledge on the topic.however one thing i have learned over the years is the white knuckle experience when the rig is not setup correctly.icurrently have a 2005 excursion 4x4 ltd diesel.had a large popup when i first bought the truck.noticed towing from pa to niagra falls ny that i had major rear end sag.did some research about the excursion after this trip and ended up putting on a set of timbrens-rear and a set of bilsteins.at that point a purchased a 2005 safari 28 leftover.based on my own counsel i set this trailer up with a reese dual cam.towed alot of miles without incident up and down the east coast.this was a very good tow setup but i still knew i was towing a pretty good size trailer.traded up a couple years ago and took the dealers advice on installing a hensley.most of my travel is sporadic due to work constraints,but when i do go the trips our usually more than 500 miles roundtrip.now when i travel the truck on the interstates feels better with the trailer in tow than when im driving solo.my advice on selecting a truck to complement the trailer would be to research the tow vehicle with needed mods,then select your hitch setup based on the amount of traveling you expect to do.on trips to fla -once a yr -i can usually drive a 12 hr day before i pull over for the nite.this has everything to do with the proper truck/towing combo.the other thing is i am tired after a day like this ,but i am not totally stressed out.i remember going to myrtle beach last summer and when i arrived at the campground they had me setup on the beach on a very tight site.when i backed in a fellow camper asked me if i drove a truck for a living and i told him i didnt he also asked me how many days it took me to drive down from pa,which i told him was 12 hrs.this i beleive boils down to being properly setup,which i feel i finally have a pretty good handle on.
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Unclear if this was due to loading, but here's a Tundra accident thread - http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...ccd-28572.html
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If an accident is defined as being stopped by the side of the road on a cell phone count me in? Poor trailer wiring blew a fuse in my Tundra, once. That aside I have never seen a Tundra involved in an accident (may this continue). I just wanted to add that compared to the domestic labelled product I had prior to my '07 I find the trucks poise night and day even when loaded up. In Alberta our highways are often challenging especially in the winter (Oct through May) and the traction control & stability control coupled with whatever the chassis is doing work amazingly well. If I had to tow something heavier and longer I'd be looking at a 2500 upwards but I would triple check that it had stability control (the GMC long beds don't for some reason here). Anyhow I'm definitely not the towing guru but I'd speculate that if you manage to wreck towing with an '07 up Tundra you would have wrecked with a 1500 from Ford, Dodge, Chev or GMC.

Lastly; I don't think a wreck is in quite the same category as an accident if you are overloaded, your margin of safety has already gone.
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:57 PM   #14
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I have an F250 and a Tundra. Much of the Tundra-bashing that I observe on this forum is bogus from my perspective. Example: a post a while back stated that Tundra wheels are 5 lug and of course you could never tow with 5-lug. My AS owner's manual sample tow vehicle (car) was 5-lug... by the way my Tundra 6-lug 17".

AS length does not determine weight, weight determines weight. My '73 31' does not weight the same '05 31'.

Travel style comes into play as well. We (my wife and I, not a family of 8) take short trips typically 2-3 days so we tend to travel light and use park water. I prefer to tow with the Tundra on these "light shorts" because the Tundra has more, yes more, horse power and torque that my f250 and the softer springs seems to be better for the AS. On Heavily loaded trips I use the F250 because the heavy payload is required and because once loaded its not as hard on the AS.

The F250 is a bit heavier and has a bit longer wheel base but not by much. My Tundra does fine for me in the context that I use it in.
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