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Old 04-15-2007, 10:34 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by davidz71
Sounds like the smart choice. I'm happy with my '01 Chevy 2500hd with 8.1 gas/Allison auto combination hooked up to an '86 Sovereign 25'. If diesel was a little cheaper then I might be even happier with a Duramax or the '08 Ford F250 with the new 6.4 twin turbo diesel engine. Time will tell whether Navistar has a hit with this new engine.
davidz----Even with diesel fuel prices being more than gas I think you'll fine annual fuel cost with a diesel is less than a big block gaser due to the difference in fuel mileage.---pieman

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Old 04-15-2007, 11:31 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by davidz71
Time will tell whether Navistar has a hit with this new engine.
I too hope the do. Ford needs a good thing to happen after the disaster it faced with the last diesel.

To me I'm with Pieman, the fuel costs can be offset in better mileage and engine life. However, unless you are buying pre-owned and someone else has taken the initial deprecation hit, that $5k premium for a new diesel combo is pretty steep. You'd have to be a full timer or drive a LOT of miles to make up that premium hit --or-- you'd have to have a massive load to justifiy it. The 8.1L is great and will do the trick and you can buy a LOT of fuel, at least for now for that $5k upcharge for a new diesel.

Toyota now, from what I've read has picked up a stake in Isuzu that GM dumped. I think it could be a matter of time before Toyota starts putting some diesels in the Tundra. I've heard and read several reports as I am sure most of us have....if they do, time will tell if Toyota forces the issue on these large upcharges to go to diesel, or if Toyota will simply jump on the $5k bandwagon.

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Old 04-15-2007, 01:06 PM   #31
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The problem that seems to continually exist with regards to tow vehicals
and specifically to the tundra offering for 07 ,is the HUGE tow rating touted
by the manafacturer .The idea of 10400 pounds of tow capacity is really
great if it were to be true ,or more than the idea of the truck "just" pulling
that load down the flat level street .Many here have noted ,its still a 1/2 ton
vehical .Why would Toyota want to claim 1 ton class towing and yet still
call the truck a 1/2 ton ? reminds me of a 1989 red toyota pickup I was
behind on the freeway the other day ,it said 1 ton on the tailgate in the
typicle toyota decal styling of those years .There were a few sold like that
and they are in NO way anything 1 ton ,no dually rear axle with full floating hubs ,same small rear end as the standard truck ,many may remember
the many sob motorhomes on the Toyota chassis that had wheel bearing failures continually due to the standard pickup rear end being installed with that Add A Wheel dually conversion .All the US made big three trucks offer
big tow capacity ,yet back it up with the frame and wheelbase length and
other heavy duty features .I think toyota is doing good finally offering
bigger brakes and large ring and pinion gears (its about time ) and the truck
does indeed look solid and capable for sure ,toyota needs not to try to oversell it on the high capacity tow rating .I think people are going to get into trouble towing such a huge load with a 1/2 ton rated pickup .Of course
it's just an opinion here and folks can give it a shot ,but Im thinking its a bad idea .I see the new Nissan titan ad shows same go with more show as they
put it ,lots of the bright work chrome accessorys and such .

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Old 04-15-2007, 01:12 PM   #32
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Many of the posts refer to 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton trucks. How do you define 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton? Is it defined by how much load the truck can carry or what?


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Old 04-15-2007, 02:13 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by azflycaster
Many of the posts refer to 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton trucks. How do you define 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton? Is it defined by how much load the truck can carry or what?
Defined by the bed payload.

1/2 ton is 1000 lbs

3/4 ton is 1500 lbs

1 ton is 2000 lbs
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:25 AM   #34
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Something I noticed on the Toyota literature. The payload specs had a note saying that weights included passengers. How many people is that? 1 or 4?

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