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Old 07-27-2015, 08:33 AM   #1
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Truth or government overreach?

I have my opinion, perhaps some owners of affected vehicles can add some true experience to the equation.

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1/2 million vehicle Fiat/Chrysler "buyback" mandated by government.

Late model Ram and Jeep.
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There is a new trend in government of so called "Enforcement" by agencies that are not governed by court action. They went after Mark Cuban but he was rich enough, spending $12,000,000 to force them into court and beat the issue. Hopefully Fiat will take the same course.
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This sounds more like a negotiated settlement for process issues, rather than the actual physical vehicle remedy.

A few years ago there have been much more stringent record reporting processes by mfrs to NHTSA on a monthly basis. The information reporting is VERY deep and wide in its scope and requirements.

I can tell you, it is very difficult and time consuming for almost every employee who "touches" the product to comply with the requirements. I'm reading between the lines in the "full report" link, but this sounds like a penalty for not following process.
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:58 AM   #4
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The devil is in the details. The "buyback" is less depreciation, and I'm guessing that Fiat/Chrysler will decide how much the truck depreciated. For the older Jeeps, yes, the current owners can get above-market value for a trade-in - on a new Fiat/Chrysler product. What they won't get, though, is the typical discount that most buyers get anyway. I'm guessing that if one of those owners went in to dealership A and wanted a new Grand Cherokee, using the above-market value trade-in, the difference wouldn't be much different than if he had gone to dealer B and just worked a normal trade-in.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:37 AM   #5
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Either way this will put a severe hardship on Chrysler.

Has anyone experienced the issues mentioned in the story?
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Yes. Government over reach. Who cares if someone else's steering control fails.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:08 PM   #7
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I see it that the $ does not fit the crime. The suit stated "could" result in ____ NOT did. We also have the Air Bag issue, the ignition switch and the "roll over" issue that DID result in injury and death. This looks more like BIG BROTHER financing their existence. Also these fines do not include any civil suits.
Check AMOCO for this.
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My Ram was recalled for the steering armature issue. The tie rod was mounted incorrectly and the correction took about two hours (including the re-alignment) from arrival to departure with a pre-scheduled drop-off. As I understand the issue, the rod was mounted from below rather than down from the top which would allow the rod to fall off in the event the lock washered bolt unscrewed.

I, like many I suspect, don't see the necessity to return my truck for another because of this issue. However, I just got another recall notice for a heater element replacement repair which surely means I have a lemon.
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Exactly. And exactly how does a fine paid to the government help solve any problem? No manufacturer wants a recall, which can destroy business. The fine is punitive and serves no purpose except to take money from the company.
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Exactly. And exactly how does a fine paid to the government help solve any problem? No manufacturer wants a recall, which can destroy business. The fine is punitive and serves no purpose except to take money from the company.

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It is my understanding that the fine is strictly punitive due to all the abuses of the recall system by Chrysler and GM. When auto makers fail to disclose defects, cover up issues to avoid recall and/or do not properly fix known defects when recalled, it is a violation. As such it is punished with a fine. It is not meant to solve any problem but strictly to punish the offender.

In GM's case this will result in one of the largest class-action lawsuits in automotive history. The Fiat-Chrysler recall and fine is small potatoes.
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The full article did mention fatalities for the Jeep fuel tanks issue. I wonder if the Ram issue is the "death shake" in older trucks, which, as I read and hear from folks, can't be fixed.
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If there is no penalty, why disclose any defects? Just pay off the few lawsuits that occur and carry on -- lots cheaper than actually recalling and fixing the problems or reengineering the product to make it right in the first place.
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RE: the linked article from OP
"but they also could generate more new vehicle sales by getting customers into showrooms"
maybe there is no such thing as bad publicity- I got a recall notice last week for a '94 GC Ltd I no longer own - Somebody had to research the VIN to my vehicle registration to get my address and it had the tow package (including stock trans cooler) - wonder if they DON'T keep records? the fix for the gas tank issue is installing the tow hitch as a speed bump for the gas tank in case of rear collision...
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