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Old 06-18-2019, 07:28 PM   #1
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Truck Shopping and Miss Information.

We are currently researching the possibilities of going from a Class A Diesel Pusher to Classic 33FB. We spent today truck shopping and couldn't believe the recommendations that salesman gave us and all the miss information from Sales Managers that should know better. One Sales Manager told us the RV trailers are perfectly balanced from the factory and should have zero tongue weight and the people that don't know how to properly load RV for travel cause weight on the tongue and endangering people on the road. Another one told use that tongue weight doesn't count against payload.

The first thing I would say to salesman man is the GVWR is 10,000 pounds and the unloaded tongue is 1175 pounds. All four dealers pointed me to half ton trucks. Every half ton we looked at had less than 1250 hitch rating with WD and payload under 1700 pounds payload rating and one had payload of 1150 pounds. We have found 1 Ton Diesels with the sticker on the hitch raing it with WD at 1250 to 1900 pounds of coarse the payloads we more than I would need.

We would like to have enough payload for a golfcart or side by side in the bed of the truck so we going straight to the 1 ton diesel just so we don't have to worry about payload. We have found two used trucks on a 2017 Chevy High Country with 3300 pounds payload and with WD 1500 pound hitch rating and 2016 Ford F350 with a 3600 pound payload and hitch with WD at 1900 pounds.
My first impression is the ride is much better in the Chevy and the level of cabin noise is lot less in the Chevy. One more test drive tomorrow and we going to check out a GMC Denali
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:39 PM   #2
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Thatís why you do your own research and donít rely on car salesmen for advice on towing...

Good luck to you.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:08 PM   #3
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There are quite a few 2018 Ram 3500ís available at significant discounts because the 2019 HDís are arriving. *The Ď19 Ram HDís have brand new chassis and upgraded drivetrains.

Hereís an example of a 2018 3500 Limited Diesel near you:
https://www.speedwayautogroup.com/ne...9d40c52909.htm

Worth taking out for a drive :-)

Happy Truck Shopping!
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:20 PM   #4
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Interestingly, I had almost exactly the opposite experience. If anything they were pushing bigger trucks with fewer options to provide a bit more payload / capacity than what I was looking at. More or less, they were trying to bump me into F350's rather than optioned out (payload wise) F250's. Even two years later, I can't tell you they were wrong in what they said. Cost wise it would have been a bit more, but as a percentage, not much at all.

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Old 06-18-2019, 09:06 PM   #5
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I never owned a Ram and wouldn't mind it being my next truck. We are looking for 2015/2016/2017 range and I have searched locally for 1 ton RAM and there just isn't any for sale and has been for the last couple of weeks. Guess people are hanging on to them.



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There are quite a few 2018 Ram 3500ís available at significant discounts because the 2019 HDís are arriving. *The Ď19 Ram HDís have brand new chassis and upgraded drivetrains.

Hereís an example of a 2018 3500 Limited Diesel near you:
https://www.speedwayautogroup.com/ne...9d40c52909.htm

Worth taking out for a drive :-)

Happy Truck Shopping!
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:32 AM   #6
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I had a Fiat 1500 (Ram) and dumped it. Boy was I disappointed. Empty and unhitched, it rode like a Caddie, hooked up....it was bullied by the AS.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:02 AM   #7
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Don't rely on Salesmen

I just want to add another vote to 'do you own research' ...

When I shopping for a truck for my 27' Globetrotter I found that almost all salesman had no clue about the key numbers, weights, etc to consider.

I did my research and learned about payload, tongue weight, etc and then selected my truck. Even so, I ended up with less payload than I would prefer as I was going off the payload numbers in the brochures instead of checking what was listed on the truck sticker.

As it turns out, with all of the options added to the truck the usable payload was substantially lower than what was listed in the brochures (by about 400 pounds). Fortunately I'm able to haul my Airstream, gear, and spouse within the limits, but can't take any other passengers.

It makes me wonder how many rigs are rolling down the roads with insufficient capacity or poorly distributed loads...
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:41 AM   #8
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According to the stats provided by the SmartWeigh people, over 50% of 50,000+ weighed RVs are over capacity in some area - axle weight, gvwr, etc.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:04 AM   #9
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According to the stats provided by the SmartWeigh people, over 50% of 50,000+ weighed RVs are over capacity in some area - axle weight, gvwr, etc.
Wouldn't it be great to have the Smart Weigh people attend Alumalina?
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Salesmen generally have no clue about this stuff. I once had a salesman try to talk me into a 1/2 ton with a standard 5 speed trans knowing that I had a 10ft camper and towed a 17ft boat behind it.

We recently opted for a new 3500 diesel Denali to max out our payload capacity. It was hardly any more than a 2500 and I think the 3500 will be better when we decide to sell it down the road. No noticeable difference in ride between the 2 and I think the 3500 has bigger brakes and, obviously, more cargo capacity.

All the big 3 manufacturers (Ford, Dodge, GM) make a very good truck IMO. It is just a matter of personal preference. That said, I have found, among equally equipped trucks, Ford was the more expensive and Dodge the least.
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Look for a lot of white on the lot...commercial sellers know what they are selling.

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Old 06-19-2019, 03:11 PM   #12
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Funny thing happened on the way to the Chevy dealer to purchase a 2017 High Country 1 ton diesel. Stop by the dealership that I have done business for years to check if he might of got something in last few days and he had a 2019 RAM Longhorn 2500 Gas 6.2 Hemi with 2868 payload on the yellow door sticker, 2 1/2 inch 1900 pound tongue weigh hitch. The guy bought it to tow a 42-foot toy hauler with a 20,000 GVWR only to discover he really needs 1-ton DRW diesel for his 4000 plus pin. I really didnít want gas but after he said $50,000 even and it is yours and look at the odometer and said 640 total miles I just couldnít pass it up. Found the window sticker in the glove box with 69,000 dollars MSRP. He only owned for 3 weeks and didnít even get the 5th wheel hitch installed.

This is my first RAM truck but I can say it rides nice and I think I going to like it and it should do what I want to do. Only time will tell.





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There are quite a few 2018 Ram 3500ís available at significant discounts because the 2019 HDís are arriving. *The Ď19 Ram HDís have brand new chassis and upgraded drivetrains.

Hereís an example of a 2018 3500 Limited Diesel near you:
https://www.speedwayautogroup.com/ne...9d40c52909.htm

Worth taking out for a drive :-)

Happy Truck Shopping!
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I bought my first non GM truck after 40 years. Ram Longhorn 3500 Diesel. Loving the change and you will too....
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:17 PM   #14
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I sure hope so since I really do like the GMC 1 ton but time for a change. You got the right truck for the 33 foot AS. I think I will be ok with 2500. I figuring MAX of 1500 tongue weight and 500 pounds from my wife, myself and other stuff in the cab and still 868 pounds of payload left for stuff the bed of the truck. I really going to miss the exhaust brake and just have to get used to the higher RPM while climbing those hills out west. Do the seat soften up with use?





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