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01-16-2018, 03:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 19' International
Tallahassee
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 938
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Truck or SUV? The Payload Almighty
I'm looking at potential tow vehicles, and stopped at three dealers over the weekend.
Ram Truck A 1500 gas model. Drove pretty dang well for a pickup. Comfortable. I was impressed. This one was some kinda cowboy version. Laramie? I can't recall for sure ... whatever, it had stitching everywhere, and luxury this and that.
But the payload ... 980 pounds! How'd that happen?
I assume other Ram Trucks are not so handicapped, but I only tried this one.
Interesting that when I asked about the payload, the nice salesman said "9,000 pounds." I tried to explain but after three goes I gave up. He never did get it.
He even called back later to correct me ... he looked it up, he said. "9,000 pounds."
Chevy Tahoe The Suburban shorty has a lot going for it. Liked it a lot, but it lacked some of the tech I'd like to see, such as the 360-degree camera. Did have one camera, pointed aft. That'd be handy.
Payload was good 1,500-plus pounds.
Again, nice salesman took the payload question and gave me a "It'll pull 7,500 pounds" response.
I also drove a Chevy Silverado. Again, nice truck. But ... payload was less than on the Tahoe, by about 250 pounds. What the ...?
Ford Expedition This is the new aluminum Ex-P. Got the 3.5 EcoBoost, and tech all over. Too pricey, though.
Payload? A solid 1,652 pounds.
Wanted to check out an F-150 but ran out of time. Dinner was calling.
I was surprised to see the strong payload numbers in the two SUVs. I'd prefer an SUV, so ... good to see. There were not options to boost the payload. No MaxTow. You get what you can get, but not more. Fortunately for me, 1,500 will work. 1,600 will work even better.
I was advised that trucks come with plenty of carmaker giveaway money, but SUVs don't. Bummer.
Bummer II ... the SUV prices have gone up since I bought my Suburban, 14 years ago.
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01-16-2018, 04:26 PM
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Trailer Sold, Waving
2019 26' Flying Cloud
Stettler
, Alberta
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,032
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All that stitching and bells and whistles adds weight and takes away from payload. I was going for the King Ranch/Laramie/Denali trim level till I figured it out.
Give the Nissan Armada a look see. For an SUV, 1500/8500 are good numbers.
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01-16-2018, 04:50 PM
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Site Team
2009 25' FB International
2018 27' Globetrotter
Tavares
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,654
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I have of those cowboy RAM 1500's with all the stitching and it suffers from a bad case of payloaditis. I love the ruck otherwise. Really drives and rides nice. Gets decent MPG and has no issues pulling or stopping my 25' AS. But the payload issue. I've been watching the releases of the new 2019 Silverado 1500 and the 2019 RAM 1500 with interest to see how this issue will be addressed, especially in the RAM.
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01-16-2018, 05:04 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' International
Southeastern MI
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,344
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If stitching takes away too much payload you're looking at the wrong truck. Go up a size.
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2018 International Serenity 27' FB
Michelin 16 tires
Hensley Arrow hitch
Tow Vehicle: 2020 F-350 6.7L Diesel
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01-16-2018, 05:27 PM
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Site Team
2009 25' FB International
2018 27' Globetrotter
Tavares
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,654
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryboy59
If stitching takes away too much payload you're looking at the wrong truck. Go up a size.
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Now that would be just too easy! Plus, then what would I have to complain about!
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01-16-2018, 07:07 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Byron Center
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 275
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We have a 16 Suburban LTZ 4WD with the tow package. The package doesnt increase payload, but it does give you HD cooling, an external oil cooler, 3.73 rear axle, and the two speed transfer case. When were hitched up, all four of us inside (the fifth kid is in college now and is too cool to camp with us), and tanks topped, we only have 100-150# of cargo capacity for gear. Thats not a lot, but weve made it work by putting more in the trailer (and staying well under its max). If you get a 2wd model, you gain a couple hundred pounds. If you get a Tahoe, youll gain another hundred or so in payload. As always, get on a scale and check your labels. YMMV
The other comment about a Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon is that you cant get factory extendable mirrors. You have to use add-ons. Other than that, its a rock-steady tow platform. 5.3l gas does require a little patience, but you can get the 6.2 in the top of the line GMC Denali models. Theres changes for 18 that allow you to get the 6.2 in a sport Tahoe, but Im not sure you can get the tow package with it. If you can do without the luxury toys, theres a down-option Tahoe Custom that also allows a bench seat (subtract ~$400) and deletes the third row seat (more payload without the options). You can still get the tow package. Theres a 3500 model available for fleets, but forget towing - max trailer is about 3-4,000 lbs. Theres also talk of a diesel coming back. The old 3/4 ton diesel models were perfect; would love to see that class come back.
We love the Burban, BTW. Meets all of our other daily needs better than a pickup. If it were just the two of us, wed be all over a diesel pickup, but the kids kind of like being able to recline their captains chairs. Its not like the old days...
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01-16-2018, 07:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 30' Classic
Burlington
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,743
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Payload aside, I debated for a while between SUV versus truck. In the end I decided that for us, a crewcab pickup with a cap on the bed would be the best option.
Reason being lots of space inside for all the passengers we would ever carry - or more high value or delicate items to be carried when just the two of us are off on an RV trip, plus all that storage pace in the back for things that I would not want to be messing up the inside of a nice SUV.
Things like ladder, gennie, gas can, toolboxes, axe shovel, trolley jack, air compressor, lawn chairs, boxes of boots and shoes, beer, water, and no end of other stuff I probably won't need - but you just never Know!
Hmmm ..... Maybe I SHOULD get it weighed one day when the trailer is hooked up as well!
In any event, it has served us very well indeed since we bought it new 8 years ago, still runs like new, and will likely last us as long as we need it!
Until last year this truck has also been our daily driver - recently picked up a little VW GTI for running around town and fun drives! Still prefer the truck on snowy winter days though!
Good luck with your choice!
Brian.
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Brian & Connie Mitchell
2005 Classic 30'
Hensley Arrow / Centramatics
2008 GMC Sierra SLT 2500HD,4x4,Crew Cab, Diesel, Leer cap.
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01-16-2018, 08:04 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 25' FB Flying Cloud
Longmont
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereStream
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Ford Expedition This is the new aluminum Ex-P. Got the 3.5 EcoBoost, and tech all over. Too pricey, though.
Payload? A solid 1,652 pounds.
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That's a pretty impressive payload for a feature-loaded vehicle (I assume you mean Expedition Platinum).
I googled around looking for payload numbers by trim line, but failed to find any payload or GVWR numbers at all.
But I did find the hitch ratings, which are disappointing (like the previous Expeditions): 930 pounds for the short wheelbase, 900 for the long, when using weight distribution. This is published in the Expedition trailer guide PDF: https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content...ition_Oct5.pdf
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01-17-2018, 03:50 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 19' International
Tallahassee
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 938
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SSquared
But I did find the hitch ratings, which are disappointing (like the previous Expeditions): 930 pounds for the short wheelbase, 900 for the long, when using weight distribution
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We are pulling a 19 International, which has a tongue weight that is (allegedly) under 600 pounds, so Im good there (and we do use a weight-distributing hitch).
Thanks for the link to the Expedition trailer guide.
So far, the Ford Ex-P is leading the pack, but so far, everything looks pretty good.
We could end up with a truck with a cap on the back, but ... since the SUVs come with a perma-cap, we are inclined to go that route. Pay a price penalty, though.
We also like the lower center of gravity of the SUVs, though the newer models appear to sit a good bit higher than my 2004 Suburban. Trucks even more so.
It may be appearance only, but from the eye the Ford F-150 stands especially tall.
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01-17-2018, 05:03 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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You may not want to carry a generator and fuel in the back of an suv. Not all payload is clean. Think dirty shoes, grills and other external accessories.
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01-17-2018, 05:16 AM
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Luminous
1983 27' Excella
Vesuvius
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 228
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We towed for a few years with a Chevy dually 4 door pick up with a 454. Even with three kids the interior felt as big as an SUV. Payload limits were pretty much non-existent as far as camping gear went. 9 mpg on a good day. We've also towed with a Burb, Excursion, G500, and currently a Crewmax Tundra, but the dually was king of them all.
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Steve
83 Excella 27
07 Tundra Limited
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01-17-2018, 09:52 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 25' International
Washington
, Washington, D.C.
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 1,260
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I would have preferred an Expedition as well but the starting price was $65K and ultimately, it did NOT offer all the safety options that the F-150 did (which is what I bought). I've never owned a pick-up before but I must say, what a ton of fun to drive!
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01-17-2018, 10:17 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Temple
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 286
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The Laramie probably has a 3.21 rear dif, plus a bunch of heavy options. My lower optioned 2 wheel drive Ram has a 3.92 rear dif and a 1520 load capacity. Someone suggested the Nissan Diesel - that may be a good fit for you
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2014 Flying Cloud 25FB
2018 Ram 2500; Cummins
Blue Ox WDH
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01-17-2018, 10:33 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 30' Classic
Sherwood
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 479
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Keep in mind that F-150 cab(s) are the same as on the F-250/350. The difference is in running gear and payload.
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2015 Classic 30A, Blue OX Sway Pro, 2016 F350 4x4 Ultimate Lariat crew cab SRW, LWB, 6.7 PSD, 20" wheels, Ingot Silver Metallic, DiamondBack tonneau cover, TrailFX wheel-to-wheel step bars.
Sold: 2014 25FB International Serenity
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01-17-2018, 10:44 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2005 28' International CCD
1995 25' Excella
Hudson Oaks Tx
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 30
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We have a 2013 Tundra crew cab 4x4 payload 1620# and pulls 10,100# We just love the truck I pull a 2005 international 28' We have pulled the trailer twice once 700 miles round trip and the second trip was 850 round trip and it pulled great I averaged 10.8 and 10.9 MPG on the trip ( mostly flat terrain) So far very satisfied with it
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01-17-2018, 11:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 19' Bambi
2012 23' Flying Cloud
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Bandera
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 786
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As many opinions as their are responses. For me, I simply dont understand the need to buy new. A 1 to 2 year old PU or SUV with low mileage will still have some warranty., once you decide what it is you want, and it will save thousands.
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01-17-2018, 02:54 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Columbus
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 67
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereStream
I'm looking at potential tow vehicles, and stopped at three dealers over the weekend.
Ram Truck A 1500 gas model. Drove pretty dang well for a pickup. Comfortable. I was impressed. This one was some kinda cowboy version. Laramie? I can't recall for sure ... whatever, it had stitching everywhere, and luxury this and that.
But the payload ... 980 pounds! How'd that happen?
I assume other Ram Trucks are not so handicapped, but I only tried this one.
Interesting that when I asked about the payload, the nice salesman said "9,000 pounds." I tried to explain but after three goes I gave up. He never did get it.
He even called back later to correct me ... he looked it up, he said. "9,000 pounds."
Chevy Tahoe The Suburban shorty has a lot going for it. Liked it a lot, but it lacked some of the tech I'd like to see, such as the 360-degree camera. Did have one camera, pointed aft. That'd be handy.
Payload was good 1,500-plus pounds.
Again, nice salesman took the payload question and gave me a "It'll pull 7,500 pounds" response.
I also drove a Chevy Silverado. Again, nice truck. But ... payload was less than on the Tahoe, by about 250 pounds. What the ...?
Ford Expedition This is the new aluminum Ex-P. Got the 3.5 EcoBoost, and tech all over. Too pricey, though.
Payload? A solid 1,652 pounds.
Wanted to check out an F-150 but ran out of time. Dinner was calling.
I was surprised to see the strong payload numbers in the two SUVs. I'd prefer an SUV, so ... good to see. There were not options to boost the payload. No MaxTow. You get what you can get, but not more. Fortunately for me, 1,500 will work. 1,600 will work even better.
I was advised that trucks come with plenty of carmaker giveaway money, but SUVs don't. Bummer.
Bummer II ... the SUV prices have gone up since I bought my Suburban, 14 years ago.
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Your paycheck load numbers are questionable. I have completely different numbers from the information i have assembled. I ordered a 2500 diesel due to paying load considering cargo and tongue load on a new trailer. I dismissed the tahoe due to the WB. The payload is also not enough. I am one of the crazy people that actually calculate the tire rating, rear axle payload, and GCVWR. I was disappointed the 3/4 suburban is not available for retail purchase
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01-17-2018, 04:42 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 200
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We moved from an SUV to truck last year after towing our 25' FC for just over a year. The payload between the Denali and the F-150 was comparable. What drove me to the truck was wheelbase. Since the Denali was not an XL, it only had a 116" wheelbase. I always felt like the tail was wagging the dog when driving in wind. After some research on the internet, I found a formula (not sure if everyone subscribes to it), that with 110" wheelbase, that gives you 20' of trailer. For each additional 2" of wheelbase, you can add 1 foot of trailer. So with our 25' FC, the formula put us at a maximum of 23' for a trailer. We now have 145" wheelbase with our F-150 and feel much more comfortable with our 25'.
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'17 Ford F-150 Ecoboost, max tow package
'13 GMC Yukon Denali 6.2L V8
'04 GMC Yukon SLT 5.3L V8
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01-17-2018, 06:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,023
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I pulled our 27FB for several years with a 2003 Ford Expedition. With it's older 2 valve V8 it was no racehorse uphill but always got us to the campground safely and in one piece. The new Expedition should be a much better and capable tow vehicle.
Full disclosure. I did eventually sell the Expedition and got a new F150. With kids gone have less need for 8 seats and prefer the truck bed for carrying dirty stuff like firewood, generator, and chairs.
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01-17-2018, 06:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Kansas City
, Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,962
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Quote:
Originally Posted by banderabob
As many opinions as their are responses. For me, I simply dont understand the need to buy new. A 1 to 2 year old PU or SUV with low mileage will still have some warranty., once you decide what it is you want, and it will save thousands.
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Good luck finding that available.
I get solicited about every other month by my dealer trying to buy my pickup. There are not a lot of good used pickups for sale.
If you find what you want pre-owned that can be a great value. But you may have to look a long time.
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