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Old 03-07-2007, 10:28 PM   #29
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Hello all ... I'm the kind of guy who likes to buy something once by buying right. GMC does have a 3/4 ton version of this truck ... but I think this truck is a bit more than we would need for daily use and since it weighs about 500lb more than the 1/2 ton variant it will be more costly to run and higher priced in the initial purchase cost. So we are leaning toward the 1/2 ton with MAX package towing equipment described above. Any experienced opinions out there willing to chime in with opinions on this are greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, Bill
Hi Bill:

Here's my experienced opinion for anyone who plans to tow a 28' modern Airstream: buy the 1/2 ton HD truck if you want short term comfort, but buy the 3/4 ton truck if you want to buy once and right the first time.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:29 PM   #30
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Bill -- member jordandvm has posted some beautiful glam shots of his '05 28' CCD (sorry, the photo galleries have been out of commission for 10-12 days due to a major glitch at the server; stay tuned...). It sounds like you are on a good track of value and depreciation.

The original Toyota Tundra had a famously nice ride. I owned a Nissan Titan from late in '04 until January '06 -- it was overhyped on capacity and too weak for my 25' Safari (you wouldn't know it from the ads if you know what I mean ... any wonder why we're skeptical about whether a new super-1500 really crosses the gulf to a 3/4-ton capacity?). The Titan ride was pretty good though not Tundra-like. The ride on my '06 3/4-ton Sierra is only marginally more harsh. I bought into the PR machine for the Titan and the "new" F-150 in late '04. Don't believe everything you read -- especially with new introductions. It sounds like you've got time on your hands. Everything I have said should be interpreted to lean toward a 3/4-ton capacity TV for any 8.5' wide 28-footer of the last dozen years or so -- true for an Airstream and true for an SOB. Depreciation will hit you once on a new, enduring quality tow vehicle -- like Fred says just before me, don't let it hit you twice. A 28-footer is a serious load. MAX is just a name. Buy proven capacity.

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A F-250 Diesel/automatic has the down shift feature as well. They call it torque shift. Works great! Once I set the speed going down hill it holds it there.
Yes Michelle. The GM version was recently discussed. Allison Grade Braking relates to older GMCs, but AFAIK it shares the same idea with the current Allison. I love going down steep downhills and arriving at the bottom at the same speed as I began -- without touching the brakes once.
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I won't talk about branding.... Ford vs Dodge vs GM... nor motor size... Diesel is best for heavy towing but we like the Hemi... The big difference in the 3/4 and 1/2 ton is the rear end. Fully floating rear axels are preferable. We have a 1 ton rear end in a 3/4 ton chassis. Kind of stiff around town but great for towing. A good compromise is a 1/2 ton with weight distribution and a capable diesel.
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Well I decided to visit the dealer again this morning and asked about a 3/4 ton Sierra vs. the MAX tow 1/2 ton model. He does not have any 3/4 ton units available just yet but they are coming, he did see some on other lots around the state now so they are hitting the streets.

At first he told me he thought it would cost a good deal more to get the 3/4 ton over the MAX equiped 1/2 ton and that the 1/2 ton unit would easily handle a trailer of the 28W's size and weight so it would be fine to get the 1/2 ton. However, I did tell him that the cost is basically the same, he checked into it and I was right, a 3/4 ton SLE1 would tow about the same amount as the 1/2 ton unit loaded with the MAX tow package, but the 3/4 ton would have a greater cargo capacity and they both MSRP for about $30.5K in equal configuration. So I arranged for him to call me when he gets in a '07 3/4 ton Sierra extended cab so I can drive it and see how the ride and comfort are. I think that I'd be crazy to buy just yet, since I'm in a position where I can wait. This way I'll have even more information on which to base my decision.

I was also thinking that since both of these trucks would be the same equipment wise (and pricewise) that in the end the 3/4 ton might actually have a tad more resale value making it the better buy, but I could be wrong on that assumption. So unless the 3/4 ton drives like a tank or has dreadfully worse economy I'm leaning that way.


Thanks for all the helpful input so far!

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Bill,
I don't know about GM products... in Dodge land the 1/2 ton does not come with a fully floating rear axle and the 3/4 ton does. The leaf springs are the other issue. Heavier leaf springs offer better control when you have a 700lbs tongue weight and the fully floating axles are more durable than the partially floating axle

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Old 03-08-2007, 01:58 PM   #34
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Well I decided to visit the dealer again this morning and asked about a 3/4 ton Sierra vs. the MAX tow 1/2 ton model. He does not have any 3/4 ton units available just yet but they are coming, he did see some on other lots around the state now so they are hitting the streets.

At first he told me he thought it would cost a good deal more to get the 3/4 ton over the MAX equiped 1/2 ton and that the 1/2 ton unit would easily handle a trailer of the 28W's size and weight so it would be fine to get the 1/2 ton. However, I did tell him that the cost is basically the same, he checked into it and I was right, a 3/4 ton SLE1 would tow about the same amount as the 1/2 ton unit loaded with the MAX tow package, but the 3/4 ton would have a greater cargo capacity and they both MSRP for about $30.5K in equal configuration. So I arranged for him to call me when he gets in a '07 3/4 ton Sierra extended cab so I can drive it and see how the ride and comfort are. I think that I'd be crazy to buy just yet, since I'm in a position where I can wait. This way I'll have even more information on which to base my decision.

I was also thinking that since both of these trucks would be the same equipment wise (and pricewise) that in the end the 3/4 ton might actually have a tad more resale value making it the better buy, but I could be wrong on that assumption. So unless the 3/4 ton drives like a tank or has dreadfully worse economy I'm leaning that way.


Thanks for all the helpful input so far!

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It is a good idea to ask for advice, it is even a better idea to listen and act accordingly......good job Bill !!!! You won't be dissappointed.

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Just remember, many new car salesman will tell you that the half ton that they have in stock today will tow a nuclear submarine if that's what the customer has in mind. Also many Airstream salesmen will be glad to asure you that your Toyota Corolla will easily handle that 31 footer. In most cases, these salesmen have never towed anything.

As to the isue of a hard ride on a 3/4 ton. We have both 2004 Tahoe (1/2 ton) and a 2005 Yukon XL 2500 4x4x4 (3/4 ton). I drive them both without towing the Aitstream, and do not find any appreciable difference in the ride quality.
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Well, I may as well jump on this one too, I have been handing this out so much lately maybe it should be a sticky?
Take a look at this post of my experience: http://www.airforums.com/forum...tml#post313803

I'll add also. now that I have a few miles on the truck, the economy of the diesel IS starting to come through. I am averaging 19.5 mpg on longer trips (combined highway/backroads) when we are (basicaly) unloaded for ski trips up North (3 people, maybe 500# of gear in the bed). I would expect 15 mpg towing this season.
Any, read up about my experience with TV. You are in the cat bird seat-you are researching BEFORE you buy!
Listen up to whta most of the folks here are saying. Once you get to 25', it is 3/4 ton time!

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Ditto! We bought a new 1/2 ton ford a few years ago to tow an equipment trailer - the dealer promised we would love it and it was rated to tow our load. Long story short, we sold it in the same year we bought it and took a bath! It didn't really do the job for us and we were accelerating engine and transmission wear (not to mention the high stress levels of the drivers).

We replaced it with a 2500 HD Chevy duramax diesel. We love this truck! (my husbands affair with it borders on unwholesome...). Despite the increased cost of diesel, we are happy. Our fuel mileage is routinely between 18 and 20 mpg on the highway and towing 9,000 lb equipment trailer, drops it into the 14 mpg range.

And best of all we are NEVER underpowered! We can pass (with equipment trailer in tow) going uphill. The piece of mind and relaxed drive are priceless.

The only problem we have is the occasional wry remark at truck stops and rallies when we are towing the Argosy (2400 lbs)... "think that truck is up to the job..."
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For whatever it's worth, I have pulled RV's for the past 23 years, every thing from tent campers to 37' fivers. I have had Chevy, GMC, Ford.....10 years ago, I bought my last GM truck, have been with Dodge/Cummins ever since. Currently have a 2003 3/4T Dodge Quad Cab (Laramie), I have the 6 speed manual tranny, and am pulling a 2000 - 30' Airstream Excella.
I get 14.5 to 15 mpg consistenly, very seldom have to downshif to make a hill.
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I am basically a GM fan. But ever since talking to 2-air I have been thinking about Ford. I replaced my brakes with disc brakes for better performance and the Ford brake system works along with the trucks ABS system. I think stopping is more important than the power the vehicle has to offer. So I have not researched the brake system (I think its called Actibrake) myself but when I get ready to change trucks The ford brake system will weigh on my decision. Enjoy you search!
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Is that a rhetorical question? If you are referring to the Navistar/Ford debacle the current answer for the moment is yes. Navistar was court ordered to start providing engines to Ford again. Would I buy one...I don't think so. I will stick with my not broken in yet 7.3l PSD. We are in the process of buying a heavy (19-26k GVW) truck for our shop. I have been doing the shopping and have told the guys pricing the Fords...thanks but no thanks on the '08 PSD. I am really leaning towards the IH with the DT466 in it .....wonder if it will tow and Airstream...or two

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I am basically a GM fan. But ever since talking to 2-air I have been thinking about Ford. I replaced my brakes with disc brakes for better performance and the Ford brake system works along with the trucks ABS system. I think stopping is more important than the power the vehicle has to offer. So I have not researched the brake system (I think its called Actibrake) myself but when I get ready to change trucks The ford brake system will weigh on my decision. Enjoy you search!
The GM HD pickups will have an optional integrated trailer brake controller soon. I didn't find mention of it on the GMC web site (it may be there, but I didn't look very hard), but it is mentioned on the Chevy web site:
Silverado: Trucks: Chevrolet (see the "integrated trailer brake controller" link)

or just follow this one:
Integrated Trailer Brake Controller: Silverado: Trucks: Chevrolet

Rest assured if it is available on the Chevy Silverado, it will also be available on the GMC Sierra.

Another note for the 2500 (& 3500) Chevy & GMC pickups is that they will have 6 speed transmissions. The 1500's currently have 4 speed transmissions. This may impact the fuel economy and shift quality tradeoff's between the two.
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