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Old 01-12-2015, 10:56 PM   #15
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Even including the cost of a flare tool and a tubing bender, running steel tube is almost always cheaper than running good hoses, and is always better than the crap hose that typically comes with cooler and remote filter kits.

Plus it can look really nice if done well.


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Bending metal has a learning curve. So time is also cost. I agree with you, otherwise. Ditch the cheap hose and head to NAPA for high pressure reinforced hydraulic hose. Avoid tight bends. That's about it. Lasts easily as long as metal but without fatigue or rust.
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Old 01-13-2015, 06:47 AM   #17
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Thanks, Bob. I'll track it down.

Where are you in the Buffalo area? I have an aunt that just moved from her home of a million years in Cheektowaga to Alden to live with my cousin. Dad's side of the family is from the Sherman area SW of Buffalo.
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I go to NAPA for the high dollar reinforced hose and build them into harnesses following factory routing. Install and remove as a set, no snaking of lines. Use cushioned Adel clamps less than every foot. And I used Magnefine filters for both fluids.

However done it isn't cheap but worth the trouble.
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Even including the cost of a flare tool and a tubing bender, running steel tube is almost always cheaper than running good hoses, and is always better than the crap hose that typically comes with cooler and remote filter kits.

Plus it can look really nice if done well.


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Bending metal has a learning curve. So time is also cost. I agree with you, otherwise. Ditch the cheap hose and head to NAPA for high pressure reinforced hydraulic hose. Avoid tight bends. That's about it. Lasts easily as long as metal but without fatigue or rust.
Thank's......boy am I dumb.

Glad it only lasted 11 years.




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Old 01-13-2015, 07:41 AM   #18
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Wow. Thanks you guys. You've confirmed a lot of what I was researching and even helped me with some things I had not even thought about. Stronger hoses and deeper transmission pan seem like a great ideas. We may not always be driving through the Rockies, but I want to make sure we get up and over!

I already need to replace my radiator so I'm gonna be getting the biggest I can fit (G20 is pretty tight under the hood) and then I was thinking of adding on the cooler. Crazy?
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Radiator should have integrated trans cooler tank. Added cooler is downstream. I used strap or brackets to affix cooler to sheet metal, not radiator. In front of fan. PS cooler on low pressure return line and off to if radiator face. So cover for solo winter driving. Filters affixed to fender liner.

Another HD fluid upgrade is to use coolant to warm and cool engine oil by use of a fluid/fluid heat exchanger at oil filter mount. As with ATF tank in radiator, engine oil is warned faster than normal operation, and heat spikes are controlled under high loads. Corvette and other examples from 80s and 90s.

Fit issues include sometimes a shorter oil filter not to mention protection of coolant lines.
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Robert, I wasn't saying anyone is dumb, I was just offering a bit of advise based on my own (bad) experience.

When I was younger I have installed some like products "out of the box" with less than stellar results.

It sucks to spend a day installing a kit that ends up being unreliable and messy.

I am glad yours worked out well, that just hadn't been my experience.


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I didn't say you said I was dumb, I said 'boy am I dumb', based on my experience.

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And he doesn't live in the heat. Gaskets, weatherstripping and underhood rubber lives forever up there in WNY. Probably has the OEM A/C system on his Suburban.
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Old 01-13-2015, 09:41 AM   #23
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Thats cool Robert, I just didn't want any hard feelings, that certainly was not my goal at all.

I guess my point was that the makers of these kits often put crap hoses in their product.

When I was in my twenties I had a truck that I installed an external filter and oil filter on. It blew a hose and sprayed oil on the hot exhaust before the kit was a year old. Somehow, fortunately, the billowing cloud of smoke didn't catch fire.

This was one of those learned experiences that seemed important enough to pass on.

Too often a person feels obliged to use the stuff that is thought to be "engineered" to work with their product. Not always a great idea.


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Here's a picture of my external spin-on filter. I got the kit from Summit Racing. This is on my 2008 F-250, but I also added one to my wife's Lincoln LT truck, similar to an F-150, only had to attach it below near the bumper.
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