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Old 08-16-2004, 11:03 PM   #1
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Trade up(?) from my Suburban to a Nissan Titan

NEED some advice - i've been restoring my airsteam for 2 years now, finally ready to tow...

Looking to change out my suburban for the Nissan Titan - the specs say it can pull 9,500lbs, my 33foot Excella weighs 8800. Suburban is always struggling -
The Titan specs are:
Engine liters
5.6 - V8, 4 valves per cylinder,
Power305 hp @ 4,900 rpm
Torque 379 lb-ft @ 3,600 rpm
Engine configuration....

I'd like to avoid a big dual axel rig, and it seems that the specs on the Nissan beat the Chevy & ford 1500/2500- 150...

Any advice would be appreciated. Dealers just want to sell the vehicle...
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:13 PM   #2
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:43 PM   #3
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Gotta tell ya, if your old Burb looked like it did in the pic, the Nissan is gonna be not even close to that fun. Are you even using weight distribution? Even my Impala SS w/ a Safari that has a 750lb hitch weight doesn't look like the pic in your sig. If an enclosed interior is what you need/are looking for, I'd get a 3/4 ton 'burb, and blow off the Nissan. Not cause the Nissan is a bad truck, but because what they say it can tow and what it SHOULD tow are tow different worlds.

This doesn't even take into fact that passengers, cargo, etc will take away from the tow rating. Bottom line, the Nissan is a nice truck, but it weighs only about 5000lbs. The coach in the pic looks like it weighs more than 5000 some odd lbs. If so, I'd run, not walk from the Armada. Just my .02

Now if you were pulling a 19' Bambi.....

HP and torque are only part of the equation....I'm thinkin you'd be trading laterally from one bad situation to another....and BTW, 3/4 ton doesn't mean duals.....
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Old 08-17-2004, 05:51 AM   #4
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i'd try a 3/4 ton domestic truck.

the chevys cgvw are around 10 to 12k with a 300 horse six liter depending on 2 or 4 wheel drive.

the nissan ads are a bit deceiving, they only talk about 1/2 tons.

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Agree with Eric and John. A 9200 GVW pickup with a GCVWR of 22,500 is what you need. I went from a single cab 9200 GVW to an extended cab and what a difference. With a 35' Airstream, you need to look at wheelbase, as well as weight ratings. Let me tell you from experience, a longer wheel base makes a BIG, BIG difference.
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Look at the Chevy Sub 8.1 liter, 4.1 gear ratio pulls 12,000 lbs (minus cargo)
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Go to the GMC site and check the numbers yourself. There is no way you would be happy with that tow. The hitch hikers will pass you going up hills. I don't understand why anyone who tows anything over 3500lbs gets anything other than a 3/4. The saleman are saleman. Go to a truck dealership and you might get good info. You have to be the expert, it's your lifes on the line. You need to consider going down hills as well and the braking capacity and engine / transmission braking ability. No 1/2 ton will handle that trailer safely.
I suspect you are sweet on it and looking for support to buy it. If anyone thinks it's a good match speak up. If you have that kind of money get the big yukon xl or a duramax pickup, if you can find one or a smaller trailer.

Of course you could just pull it on flat surfaces.

No dakota big enough?
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I like Nissan but look at the numbers. The torque is at a high RPM. Do you want to drive at that RPM? I don't.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's a wonderfull engine in the Nissan and against the 350 or so suzed domestics it is the hands down winner but there is more to it then that with the coach you have.

I have several concerns with that sort of weight on the axles that come under Nissan. One of the things they toute in the comercials is clearence and that means they are running a small diameter ring and pinion. Small ring and pions over heat with lots of weight and then they fail.

Do I think you should be pulling that coach with your currnet burb....no. You current burb has a 3.42 gear proably. For that coach you need 4.10.
That sort of weight you need a better stronger rear axle. the 10 bolt under that burb is marginal at best with a 3k load and the heavy body. The 3/4 ton with the bigger engine burb will get you the same basic 14 bolt axle that comes under a 1 ton. The difference between it and the 1 ton variant is the size of the brakes.


Brakes.....BIGGER IS BETTER! The brakes on a 3/4 ton domestic truck are much larger. If the brakes on the trailer fail thats a big safety concern.


If your concerned about fuel economy go diesel. the Powerstroke and Durmax and the Cummings all will get about 20mpg empty. That Nissan is going to get 15-16 at best empty with a light foot. Those diesels love pulling. The torqe figures on any of the big three diesels are going to make all be the biggest gas motors look like a joke.

I think you really need to get all the numbers out there. Honestly with that size coach I think the 3/4 ton Diesel line up of the big three are all better choices. Smaller lighter coach...I would say go for it but I think as good as that Nissan is I think that's more trailer then should be behind it and that 1/2 ton burb.
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I recently purchased a Chevrolet Avalanche 2500 with an 8.1 liter gas engine and 4.10 rear axle and it tows my 2004 28 SO Safari Airstream easily. It is rated for a 12,000 lb trailer. I can pass trucks on grades and it will climb the California grapevine at 60 mph. I purchased the vehicle new at $12,000 below msrp with all the rebates and dealer discounts. I happy with this truck/suv and can recommend it.

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Originally Posted by Atokad
NEED some advice - i've been restoring my airsteam for 2 years now, finally ready to tow...

Looking to change out my suburban for the Nissan Titan - the specs say it can pull 9,500lbs, my 33foot Excella weighs 8800. Suburban is always struggling -
The Titan specs are:
Engine liters
5.6 - V8, 4 valves per cylinder,
Power305 hp @ 4,900 rpm
Torque 379 lb-ft @ 3,600 rpm
Engine configuration....

I'd like to avoid a big dual axel rig, and it seems that the specs on the Nissan beat the Chevy & ford 1500/2500- 150...

Any advice would be appreciated. Dealers just want to sell the vehicle...
Iím interested in your Suburban if you are considering selling it!
PM some info. On it to me.

Thanks!
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THANKS, great advice!

Wow - so much help!

Thanks everyone...

Nissan's not getting any of my money. Now only looking at the bigger trucks - actually want the smallest possible truck with the largest pulling power, and it seems that the dakota and the avalance (although Wilco is happy with the Avalance, it's specs don't seem that much better then the Titan...) will be too small based on the power/weight i need?


for those with some time to waste you can see some more pics of my constant work in progress trailer at:

http://homepage.mac.com/dakotafilms/Airstream
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I'm a chevy guy at heart but my next tow rig will be a F250 SD short bed crew 4x4 with the powerstroke. My buddy pulls a 39ft toy hauler 5th wheel camper with one. Gets 14-15 towing. gets as high as 21 empty.
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I'm a chevy guy at heart but my next tow rig will be a F250 SD short bed crew 4x4 with the powerstroke. My buddy pulls a 39ft toy hauler 5th wheel camper with one. Gets 14-15 towing. gets as high as 21 empty.
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I can second wilco's experience with the avalanche with our own:

We've just returned from a two month, 6000 mile trek thru Wyoming and Montana, including the Beartooth Pass out of Red Lodge, MT with a new Chevy Avalanche 2500 and our 28 ft Excella (8600 lbs), and I am really impressed with how easy the Chevy did the job. On the flats or in the mountains, I always had plenty of power, and certainly have no regrets. Also, I carry a Honda generator in the back of the truck. . . and I really like those side compartments for storing essential gear related to towing. The towing specs are the same as a 3/4 ton Suburban with the 8.1 litre engine.

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