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Old 08-18-2004, 05:36 PM   #29
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A lot of controversy on this one - but sounds as if the Titan and Avalance are just too small for my 34'.

I hope I'm wrong.

But for now i'm in the market for fully loaded 3/4 crew cab short bed...
The 2500 series (3/4 ton) Avalanche with the 8.1 should be fine for the 34'. It's darn close to a crew cab short bed. 59toaster is correct - it's all about the platform the vehicle is built on with the motor and gearing added into the mix. The GM 8.1 pumps out about 400ft/lb of torque at 1600 rpm and the Ford V10 hits 400ft/lb at 1900 rpm - which is right about 65-70 mph with a 3.73 rear end.
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Old 08-18-2004, 06:51 PM   #30
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4 valve engines belong in sports cars!

you folks touting nissans can go right ahead! please report back after 100,000 miles.

if they turn out to be great trucks good for you! personally, i'll shy away from buzzy engines and rear end ring gears smaller than dinner plates!

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Old 08-18-2004, 07:04 PM   #31
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Talking Try the Excursion, it's excellent.

I've got to agree with 85MH325.

First, I'm definitely a Ford guy.

Tow our 9100 lb. Safari 28SO with a 2004 Excursion 6.0l PSD. Can't recommend the Ex enough. It has great turning radius and is a great tow vehicle, either in V10 gas or the PSD.

I strongly recommend it.

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Old 08-18-2004, 07:12 PM   #32
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Like I said before, I had a 6.8L F250 gas and it did not have the power that the Titan has. We can throw numbers all day, but the fact is, the Titan gets the job done with a 31 ft. If you compare the cost of the Titan to the the big 3 diesels or 6.0 and above gas, you'll see another big factor to consider. The Titan isn't my choice for a triple axle 34 footer loaded with the belongings of a 4-person family, but it sure will handle the average 28-31 ft better than others with engines close to it's size (5.4 Ford, 5.3 Chevy or 5.7 Dodge). Nuff said!
The F250 w/ a 6.8L is an awesome setup and will last forever under towing conditions. Too bad you swapped it out. It may not feel as powerful, because the truck empty outweighs that Titan by almost a ton, but trust me the steel is where it counts. If you tow a lot, you will be replacing the rear end in that Nissan - it is simply too small to handle that amount of weight for long. It is basically a Dana 44 - used on front ends of US half ton pickups. Not sure about the longevity of the other components but they are basically half-ton, and you are asking it to do the job of a 3/4 ton.

Now if what you use it for is mainly empty driving, or around town as an everyday driver, I can understand the need to compromise, and the Titan is not a bad choice.
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Old 08-18-2004, 09:36 PM   #33
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A lot of controversy on this one -
I think that's the understatement of the year! Towing threads are sort of like conversations between republicans and democrats or a religious type conversation.

Everyone's got an opinon. Even the folks towing 34' tri-axle Airstreams with Dodge Intrepids...of course not many folks listen to those folks.
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:05 AM   #34
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got a us gear under drive for chev auto used 1000 miles 1/2 price if anyone can use it. had it on 91 chev van.

What transmsission was it bolted too? The base unit is identical but the adaptors are not.



Nevermind I just reread. I'm looking for the Overdrive not under.
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OK - now look what i started....

This looks like the truck I might buy - 2004:

(to pull my 34' A/S)

Ford F250 (used)...
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ENGINE MODEL
6.8L V10

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FORD
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HORSEPOWER
200 - 300

MODEL
F250 SUPER DUTY
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Gas
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Auto-4Spd
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4X4

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REAR AXLES
21,000 lbs. or Less

CLASS
CLASS 1 (GVW 0 - 6000)
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Spring

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Pickup

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The F250 w/ a 6.8L is an awesome setup and will last forever under towing conditions. Too bad you swapped it out. It may not feel as powerful, because the truck empty outweighs that Titan by almost a ton, but trust me the steel is where it counts. If you tow a lot, you will be replacing the rear end in that Nissan - it is simply too small to handle that amount of weight for long. It is basically a Dana 44 - used on front ends of US half ton pickups. Not sure about the longevity of the other components but they are basically half-ton, and you are asking it to do the job of a 3/4 ton.

Now if what you use it for is mainly empty driving, or around town as an everyday driver, I can understand the need to compromise, and the Titan is not a bad choice.
I tow with an 03 F250 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.8L auto and 3.73 rear end. I know from being on the road that the Titan will not outperform the 6.8 under load. Returning from the VAC a couple of weeks ago I passed on pulling a 25 or 26' Jayco and I could tell from the roar of his engine as we passed he was maxed out going up Raton Pass. No, the 6.8 will not outperform the GM 8.1 but it has no problem holding it's own. Now for 2005 - well that's a different story. They pumped it up to 362 hp @ 4750 rpm and 457 ft/lb torque @ 3250 rpm. 367 ft/lb of that torque is at 1,000 rpm.
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Old 08-19-2004, 01:19 PM   #38
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I think most would agree, that when it comes to draw type hitch arrangments, most perfer to have a tow vehicle, that is equal or greater in terms of weight, over what it is pulling.The Titan maybe aceptable in this equation, with a 28' in tow, and even that is pushing the equal weight factor. I'd be even a little squirmish with my tow rig pulling a 34' footer. I'll stick with the principal, of (heavier locomotive than a cabooose)
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Until recently, I'd never towed anything-period. I bought a 2001 Suburban 2500 4X4 with the 8.1 in Florida and a 31' 1976 Sovereign in MI. I brought the Sovereign home to Baltimore, a 600 mile trip. I could hardly tell I had anything behind me.I'd forget it was back there until I would glance in my mirrors. Did between 60-70mph all the way home. The Suburban had tons of power and it was a piece of cake towing the 31' Sovereign . Traveling across 26 through PA. at night in heavy rain with big trucks everywhere. The road was under construction iI'll bet for well over 100 miles. You had to concentrate because there wasn't a shoulder in a lot of places but never once had the dreaded white knuckle experience. So here's a vote for the Suburban. Up until two weeks ago when I bought this rig, my everyday driver was a VW Golf TDI.

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Back to the original question.

Last week I towed my new 2005 Safari 25 (6300# loaded acording to sales lit) from Tucson to Phoenix with my Nissan Armada. The trailer towed great, but the trip is overall 1000# downhill and pretty darn level. I just returned today from my first camping trip in the Safari, Phoenix to Flagstaff (an increase of 6000' in elevation). I rate towing pleasure as being able to tow my trailer up a tall mountain with the speed of light. Well the Armada struggled a little, especially going up those three 6 mile 6% grades. I was able to tow them comfortably at 50mph in 3rd gear. Suffice to say that even tho the Armada is rated at 9100#, I would never use it to tow a trailer exceeding 6300#.
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Hold on guys. Don't put down the Titan until you're tried it. I'm pulling a 31 ft Classic with a Titan Crew Cab and it is great, even in the mountains. .
I hope you're right. We looked at all the 1/2 tons and decided to go with the same titan crew cab as you. We bought it after doing all the comparisons of the other 1/2 tons, not larger 3/4 or diesel models (we do have to make it fit in the garage). We also really liked the way it handled around town. It was nice that we weren't pinched for every little add-on, most everything we needed came standard. Can't say for towing yet, we're picking up our 28' Classic AS next week. Everyone has their favorites.
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I hope you're right. We looked at all the 1/2 tons and decided to go with the same titan crew cab as you. We bought it after doing all the comparisons of the other 1/2 tons, not larger 3/4 or diesel models (we do have to make it fit in the garage). We also really liked the way it handled around town. It was nice that we weren't pinched for every little add-on, most everything we needed came standard. Can't say for towing yet, we're picking up our 28' Classic AS next week. Everyone has their favorites.
You won't be sorry. The Titan will pull your 28 ft with no problem.
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