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Old 04-30-2014, 06:55 AM   #15
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The real Cummins diesel is the six cylinder in the real pickups. Everything else is a compromise, all be it a good compromise. Jim
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:56 AM   #16
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Okay I give….Hell has started to freeze over…….

But what a bone headed move…….Why come out with the exact same as your competition??? It doesn't make sense for them to copy cat what Ram,GM and Ford are doing.

If they come out with a V8 Toyota truck with a Cummins, it just shows that Toyota doesn't think with innovation anymore.
The Japanese have always copy catted American products!
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But what a bone headed move…….Why come out with the exact same as your competition??? It doesn't make sense for them to copy cat what Ram,GM and Ford are doing.

Toyota is doing this because they see the big $$$$ that GM, Dodge and Ford profit off of their diesel pickups. This is nothing more than a good business decision plus you have the marketing power of the Cummins name.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:42 AM   #18
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The logic of why Nissan would have a Cummins eludes me, too, but I have heard that Ram is going to an Italian made diesel-
Nissan has the Cummins V-8 because Fred Diaz (former head of the truck divsion at Chysler) decided to jump ship in the last year or two and go to Nissan. The Cummins V-8 was originally developed for the Dodge 1500 several years ago. Cummins is now free to sell this engine to whomever.

The Ram 1500 with the Italian VM diesel are hitting the streets now. Reports are good fuel economy (28+ highway - unloaded) but they still have the limited 1/2 ton payload. Should be a decent <25' Airstream puller.
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I would think a 6 cylinder diesel would do it, but who knows?
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Hype is why. The big trucks are 4 and 6 cylinder diesels and they have plenty of power. But when you're marketing, having V8, 30 mpg and 500 ft lbs. of torque says a lot to the public. For years Chrysler has been touting "it's got a hemi", which is technology from the 60s and most people don't understand anyway, but it sells. Chrysler also has the V10 diesel but no one asks why, they just say "wow".
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The Dodge truck and new Jeep Grand Cherokee are using VM Motori Diesel engine . Vm Motori is owned totally now by Fiat. Fiat as we know owns Chrysler. We own a 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 4 cylinder turbo diesel built by VM Motori. We get 28-30 mpg, has 160 hp, and 299 torque. As side from maintaining a pesky "rubber timing belt" the little 4 cylinder tractor motor is sweet. It does cackle more than current diesels but we look at the noise as telling those nearby we get "superior"mileage and torque.. (neener, neener)! The newest diesels lack of rattling cackle are no fun. Our '99 Ram 2500 24 valve Cummins is great, too, lots of power Our '10 Merc Sprinter is nice, but too quiet and we have to fill the "pig pee" tank(urea) every 7600 miles since tow the "square stream"
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The Toyota 3.0 L diesel used in the Aussie Hilux pickup is 169 HP, has 343 lb of torque and gets 32.5 mpg. It is an inline 4 cylinder.

The V8 in my 4Runner has 235 hp, 320 lb of torque and get 18 mpg. I'd gladly trade for the Aussie diesel.
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The Toyota 3.0 L diesel used in the Aussie Hilux pickup is 169 HP, has 343 lb of torque and gets 32.5 mpg. It is an inline 4 cylinder.

The V8 in my 4Runner has 235 hp, 320 lb of torque and get 18 mpg. I'd gladly trade for the Aussie diesel.
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The US oil company's don't want us doing that move.
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If the new Ram 1500 diesel is successful in sales, they will all be there and it won't take them long to do it.

But we have to watch those gas/diesel miles per gallon comparisons; it's a lie unless the cost per gallon is equal, and it's not.
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Hype is why. The big trucks are 4 and 6 cylinder diesels and they have plenty of power. But when you're marketing, having V8, 30 mpg and 500 ft lbs. of torque says a lot to the public. For years Chrysler has been touting "it's got a hemi", which is technology from the 60s and most people don't understand anyway, but it sells. Chrysler also has the V10 diesel but no one asks why, they just say "wow".
The Mopar V10 is a spark-ignition engine, not a diesel. VW marketed a V10 TDI for a while in the US in the Touareg, but it's such ridiculous overkill for the application that they're equipping it with a very capable V6 TDI now instead.

The HEMI engines that Chrysler is making now don't have much more in common with the '50s Firepowers or '60s Hemis than the number of cylinders. Dual spark, electronic fuel injection, cylinder deactivation, relatively low emissions (compared to the old Hemis). They're just trading on the "Hemi" trademark they registered in the '60s.
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The Japanese have always copy catted American products!
Yeah, that why the Japanese hopped right on that V8 diesel band wagon as soon as GM built the very first 350ci Olds diesel…..and we all know how that turned out.
It's the reason that GM sought out a partnership with Toyota (Nummi) as Toyota had crappy quality with a really stupid Just in Time assembly structure and GM thought they would teach them a thing or two about building cars back in the early 80's.

Remember the X cars, Caddilac Cimarron, Vega, Pinto, Tempo/Topaz……………..

Oh I get it now, you were being sarcastic. My bad

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The Mopar V10 is a spark-ignition engine, not a diesel.
I stand corrected, I thought it was a diesel. Still, V10, who needs it? You can get all the power you need out of 6 cylinders. Many of the V6s will develop as much torque as the V8s.

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The HEMI engines that Chrysler is making now don't have much more in common with the '50s Firepowers or '60s Hemis than the number of cylinders. Dual spark, electronic fuel injection, cylinder deactivation, relatively low emissions (compared to the old Hemis). They're just trading on the "Hemi" trademark they registered in the '60s.
I agree, it's just a reference to the shape of the piston head. What I meant was, most people don't even know what it refers to, yet it's a great marketing tool. There's a ton of psychology in car commercials.... and nearly always a pretty girl.
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