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Old 04-29-2008, 09:18 PM   #15
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Tundra for 22' CCD

I want to by a 2005 Tundra Double cab 4X4, 4.7 V8. I currently do not have a tow vehicle. After doing some research, it would seem that towing my 22 CCD with this vehicle should not be an issue. The specs on my CCD are-

GVWR - 5,000
CCC- 1,000
UVW - 4,000

SO- I think I'm fine, but can anyone else weigh in (no pun intended) on this issue. I'd like to pick up the Tundra this week.

THANKS for any information you can provide.
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Old 05-03-2008, 04:54 PM   #16
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2006 Tundra versus 2008 Tundra

My 2006 Tundra, Double Cab, bed shell, 4x4, 4.7L engine pulled our 23 foot Safari with ease. After 48,000 miles on the truck and 24,000 miles of towing the Safari, NO PROBLEMS. I use an equalizer on the hitch just to keep everything level. The only change I would make to the 2006 would be going to Goodrich Load Range D tires. The 2008 Tundra's hitch is about 1 inch higher than the 2006 Tundra's receiver.

My 2008 Tundra, Double Cab, bed shell, 4x4, 5.7L engine pulled the 23 foot Safari effortless. Gas mileage is about 10% better when towing than the 2006, 4.7L. Headwind, flat land, up hill and down average 10 to 12 miles per gallon in the 4500 to 8500 elevation driving loaded. Although I liked the size of the smaller 2006, the first 5,000 miles driving the 2008 converted me quickly. This truck actually can turn tighter than the smaller 2006! I love the six speed manual automatic shifting for braking on steep grades!

Tundra's are only considered an import by the union people in the USA auto business. Kansas City, Missouri was a big union auto plant town and hearing "rice burner" and other comments was a common experience for me. Union literature tossed onto my driveway in the 1980's was common with the "Hungry, Eat Your Import" bumper sticker included. I converted from Chevrolets to Toyota in 1981 after my NEW (12,000 mile warranty) 1978 Chevrolet 4x4 3/4 ton practically rusted on me in three years, no air conditioning after 12 months, bad clutch in 12 months, burnt engine valve in two years. So, do not let people think you are being unAmerican buying a USA made Toyota. I learned to repair automobiles owning Corvettes and buying my first NEW Chevrolet truck in 1978. Bought my first Toyota (small in those days) in 1981 and have never looked back...
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Old 05-03-2008, 05:57 PM   #17
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The hitch was the same height going from an 03 Access Cab to an 07 Double Cab. I did all the hitch adjustments and only needed a slight tweak in the ball angle. Yes, gas mileage is better with the 5.7 L and the 6 speed automatic. Being able to drop down a gear on longer down hills is a real plus. This is my 3rd Toyota PU and my wife sports around in a Solara as well.
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Ray,
What kind of mileage do you get when you are not towing?
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Old 05-03-2008, 10:24 PM   #19
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Seems logical that a decrease in hauling capacity would happen based solely on the tires and wheels used on the Sport Model. Sport tires/wheels and springing are not made for hauling. They are made for performance in spirited driving and a more comfortable ride. Having owned a Tundra for 6 years now, I have come to believe Toyota keeps things simple. Not a lot of rearend options, not much in transmission options. You can bet the only difference between the sport model and the tow package is tires/wheels and maybe springs and shocks. Thats enough to make an impact on load capacity.
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A couple of years ago, a friend was getting out of the military and needed to tow his 1996 Ford Thunderbird from South Carolina to Texas. U-Haul unconditionally refused to rent a tow dolly to him, based solely on the fact that his tow vehicle was a Toyota Tundra. We told them we were actually towing the car with my old '88 Ford F-150 and they asked what time we wanted to pick the dolly up. Hmmmm...
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:28 AM   #21
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Tundra's are only considered an import by the union people in the USA auto business.
Not entirely true, though you are right, Toyota provides jobs as do many of the so called "imports", they export a lot of product made here too. One of those are called profits. They all go back to the countries in which the locally built "imports" are based.

So even though you may buy a home grown version of a Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, etc, outside of paying a domestic worker to assemble it, the profits go back to Japan, Germany, etc. Let's not even get into parts suppliers for the lines.

One important thing to also note (besides that I'm not a union person) is that now that Toyota and other once known fully imported brands started making vehicles here, they ran into the same QC issues that the big three had/have here. There are more recalls on Toyotas, Honda, even Mercedes, than there have ever been in these company's histories. Now with the US economy in a stall, most of the Toyotas and BMWs planted here have way overcapacity and are shuffling just like the big 3.

Didn't the "imports" build plants here to avoid tarriffs many moons ago?

Anyway you cut it though, in some way you are supporting you local economy and you are also supporting the global economy with any vehicle purchase. As the years continue to pile up, the words domestic and import will be a foregin as the thoughts that one day one could fly from New York to Japan, non-stop.

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Hi Tom: In response to your question on the 2008 Tundra gas mileage without the trailer. I got averages from three entries in my gas log with less than 2500 miles on the vehicle. 12.0 gallons for 199 miles= 16.5, 16.0 gallons for 251 miles= 15.7, 10.9 gallons for 202 miles=19.3. Since these are in town driving or driving up the Front Range to ski, these are probably lower than strictly highway travel.

Towing the 23 foot Safari ran from 9.4 to 12.1 miles per gallon with a headwind. It looks like 10.5 to 11.2 were the most common averages. Tailwind from Las Vegas, NM to Pueblo, CO- 215 miles/16.9 gallons worked out to be 12.7mpg with 15% fresh water, 0 grey or black water. Maybe 175 pounds of agates in plastic buckets... though. When I log gasoline totals, I round up to the nearest tenth of a gallon.

Mileage on the 4.7L 2006 Tundra from Las Vegas, NM to Pueblo, CO: 211 miles/18.3 gallons= 11.5mpg
Mileage on the 4.7L 2006 Tundra from Sandia Casino, Albuquerque to Las Vegas, NM: 112 miles/11.6 gallons and the 5.7L 2008 Tundra 118 miles/11.1 gallons. Unknown wind conditions.

The Tundra comes with a computer mileage reading while traveling, so I try to keep a steady RPM for maximum mileage. Usually the computer number is a bit lower than the actual mileage by a few tenths of a mile in my favor. I travel 60 to 70mph on average. I am sure that at 55mph I would do better on mileage driving the 4500 and up elevations...
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Hi Mel: Consumers vote with their dollars. Today, what is foreign?

Between my wife and I, we have owned many Toyotas and I feel competent to make the choice of vehicles I find dependable. The 2007 Tundra and the new 5.7L engine had cam shafts breaking and Toyota resolved the problem installing a complete new factory engine. How many engines were replaced is probably also a small number. That is why I waited for the second production year. Our Land Cruisers are 99% Japanese built and I have no regrets buying them. I have no warranty complaints, as we have never had any problems.

My second choice for a 4x4 would have been a Ford F250. After seeing the brake rotors all rusted up on the dealers lots, I thought that as a bad sign. I also did not want a diesel engine, which was the only engine available on the lot. I also note that Airstream is using many Chinese parts, so the list goes on and on.

When quality control of Toyota, Airstream, Apple Computers or any other product declines, my dollar will look for the better product. Ford, Chevrolet and Chrysler might manufacture a better vehicle today, but when Chevrolet neglected to fix my legitimate problems with my first new 1978 4x4 3/4 ton truck, I found a product that I have confidence- Toyota. Flashy car advertising or people dropping union literature on my driveway in the 1980's only hardened my opinion that I had made a decision that works for me. And if the buck does not stop here, I have no control over that as well.
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Ray,
Thanks for the reply. It will be another 5 years before I buy a new tow vehicle (kids in college) but I am starting to look now. I have always had good luck with Toyotas. I am looking for something that has fairly good milage when not towing the trailer. I think in the next 5 years Toyota will be doing some interesting things with trucks.
Thanks again,
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