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Old 07-22-2015, 12:08 AM   #673
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The published payload is the MAXIMUM payload, for a barebones vehicle with no options. Any options you add to your vehicle (sun roof, skid plates, running boards, power seats, etc) reduces that, and is reflected on the door sticker number. Published payload figures are good for advertising and nothing else. Door sticker number is what matters.



So I am finding out.

Problem is in the Toyota brouchure, their website, etc. It specifically states in print that a 2015 Tundra 1794 4x4 short bed truck has a payload of 1525 lbs!!

It didn't say Tundra max cab. Or some generic name. It stated the option, package, drivetrain, and bed size.

This truck had no other weight robbing options that I saw. Just the 1794 trim which is nothing but badging and different leather seats. Where the hell did the other 225 lbs go??

Same thing with the 2015 Limited 4x4. Book states 1535 lb payload, truck door sticker said 1390 lbs. At best, it's misleading. But this truck had the TRD option so that may account for the 145 lb loss in payload. Apparently stickers and Bilstein shocks are very heavy.

Name one other 1/2 ton truck with a 1300 lb payload? Is this normal? Honestly, I don't know. The Tundra is the only one I would consider. It's a beautiful truck.

It's my fondness, not hatred, for the Tundra that has me looking for clarity. I really want one. To the point we had considered a much smaller Airstream. Two dealerships were stifled today. The latter put in a call to the person that trains the sales staff and will call me upon hearing.

Still thinking about buying a Ford F-250 XL for 33-35k for towing and buying the Tundra as daily driver, fishing truck, hauling whitewater raft trailer to Tenn tent camping and fly fishing, hauling kayak trailer around closer to home, etc. I loved what I saw in the Tundra. Sans sticker on driver door.

My 2005 Tahoe grocery getter has 1550 on the door.

Maybe I'm just expecting too much. But 1300 lbs is nothing. I've read where some experienced Airstreamers are towing 27-28' campers with this truck. With the hitch weight around 900-950 lbs in some cases. That leaves 350-400 lbs for people in the truck and all gear folks would have in truck and cab. Doesn't seem possible. Guess I'm wrong.

Hook up any 800-900 lb hitch weight trailer and tell me how the family is supposed to go along with it without going over the stated payload on the door sticker. I sought out the lightest hitch weight, yet suitable, Airstream this afternoon with my wife. A 27' twin FC was 781 lbs. That leaves us 500 lbs for us, our two small kids, dog, and gear.

I weigh 320 lbs.

325 lbs after dinner

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Old 07-22-2015, 02:11 PM   #674
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There is only one 1794 payload listed because there is only one 1794 cab and option choice- 1794 CrewMax-
A DoubleCab SR5 would have more payload- smaller cab + less options = higher payload.
The springs, transmissions, and rear ends are the same across the model lineup.
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It is optional equipment that takes away from the load capacity. The load capacity is designed into the base vehicle. Start adding options and those options weigh something. That something is calculated and reduces the load capacity.

Manual transmission versus automatic
AC versus non-AC
AM radio versus 4 speaker sound system
The list goes on and on. Some options only amount to a pound or less. Others more. Add them together and a fully loaded or every option available weight adds to weight that is no longer available to handle a load.

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All us Tundra owners are over payload when towing our Airstreams.

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It is optional equipment that takes away from the load capacity. The load capacity is designed into the base vehicle. Start adding options and those options weigh something. That something is calculated and reduces the load capacity.

Manual transmission versus automatic
AC versus non-AC
AM radio versus 4 speaker sound system
The list goes on and on. Some options only amount to a pound or less. Others more. Add them together and a fully loaded or every option available weight adds to weight that is no longer available to handle a load.

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There is no stick shift/clutch Tundra.
All Tundras have a/c.
All Tundras have at least 6 speakers and CD.
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I don't know what comes standard and what is optional for Toyota. I do know how manufacturers create the capacities standards you guys are speaking about and wondering how did that number get created. The above is just an example of what could to be used.
Any optional equipment (except maybe paint) has a weight of some type. That weight in a cumulitive amount is deducted from the load capacity on each unit when the door stickers are attached.

http://www.cars.com/toyota/tundra/20...dard-equipment

The optional cup holders in the rear would be an example of the extreme. Likely they have an engineering weight assigned of a pound. And that is one pound less of towing capacity. Pretty extreme and combine that with other options and it starts to be significant.
Skid plates
Navagation systems
Dual exhaust - however this option may also increase towing capacity while adding addition weight to the vehicle.


If you exceed that weight or not is not relevant to how the load capacity is determined. You bought the vehicle you should be able to operate the vehicle as you please. The stipulation the manufacturer has is if you exceed the designed ability of the vehicle the manufacture is under no obligation to pay for warrantee repairs. And coming from the industry that line isn't so black and white either.

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What escapes me is how they get away with printing and distributing millions of brochures claiming a falsely elevated payload number that would be completely impossible to realize.

I'm pretty damn sure I can't order a Tundra without a windshield. Might swing by tomorrow and ask how much they will knock off the door sticker if I let them keep the door, sticker still attached.

You would have to take off 225 lbs of crap you were forced to buy, and required to have in most cases, in order to actually have a Tundra 1974 with 1525 lbs of payload.

I don't care how it's rationalized, it's a lie. Period.

They should put a payload number on the sticker that reflects what a given model Tundra is capable of, sans any ADDITIONAL options that would cut into the weight.


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Wife lost 20#.
I lost 20#.
Cat died. There's 11#.
We've got 51# more leeway than we had before-
It is also easier for us to pass in the aisle of the trailer-
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I needed that
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Wife lost 20#.
I lost 20#.
Cat died. There's 11#.
We've got 51# more leeway than we had before-
It is also easier for us to pass in the aisle of the trailer-
THAT is absolutely hilarious!!!!
(And a good idea for me, too!)
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I just ain't a'gonna buy no new truck-
Paid for trumps any increased payload-


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Ah-ite den, Dan,
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I love me some Toyotas, but if you just gotta have a 3/4 ton a Chevy Silverado High Country 2500HD Duramax/Allison will git-r-dun!


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I just ain't a'gonna buy no new truck-
Paid for trumps any increased payload-

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I'm all over that, I've bought my last new vehicle, nothing but previously owned for me from now on. The Toyota Certified used vehicles are supposed to be pretty good. Let someone else take the depreciation. The price on new ones is just out of sight. Unless we upgrade the AS, I've got many miles yet to go on the 4Runner.
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