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Old 07-06-2015, 07:37 PM   #659
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Gnorts, thanks for the info on the suspension upgrade. It really makes that much difference? I'm going to really check it out.
I had the work done a week before we left on the month-long round trip to the Farmington rally. It was empty when I drove it home. I was immediately aware of the difference in routine suburban driving. The daily driver mode.

Then I loaded all my stuff in it and hung the TT behind it and took off. I notice no difference when towing, but I didn't expect it to perform much better when heavily laden. I did tweak the Reese wd hitch, and that turned out OK. - steering wheels feel more planted.

We've taken numerous unhitched day trips on this outing, and the truck is still full of stuff and the tires are still at max pressure, so I still can't say I've got a good baseline. But just today, we came down to Utah Route 89 from Bryce NP in the rain, and it felt like I was drivin' a big ol' Detroit sedan with good tires. Comfortable and confident.

We'll be home in a week or so, and I look forward to unloading the truck and going for a "test drive." More to come, watch this space.
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:29 AM   #660
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Looking forward to your update. Have a great trip. I love Utah.. (My avatar pic is from Arches, Devils Garden CG)
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:33 PM   #661
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tundra towing

we traded our lemon Chevy and bought a new Tundra in 07 to tow our 25' safari. We drove it 121, 000 trouble free miles--back and forth across the Rockies--the 5.7 did as well as the 8.1 Chevy with better, though not great mileage. The Tundra still had 30% left on the original brake linings. We were not looking for a new truck, but got a great deal on a new 2012 Tundrathat now has 60, 000 miles on it. Again no problems except a malfunction of the flex fuel sensor recall. Has always been 100% reliable. Both trucks were/are SR5 models. No problems towing though with kayaks on the roof have not enhanced gas mileage at all. Usually tow in gear 5, mileage is as good as using 6, and the truck is much more powerful.
Not sure if I would go bigger than a 25', and with all the decontenting Toyota has done on this truck since 07 and 12, I am not sure I would buy another one, maybe looking at the new Titan in a couple years. Mileage on the 12 has ranged from a low of just over 10 towing, to a maximum of 19.7 solo. Usually around 12-13 towing. Just got new Michelin LT tires and anxious to see if they help with the loads with and without the trailer. This is the first set of replacement tires. there seem to be a lot of new innovative trucks out there, I'm just hoping Toyota gets it's act together, it started downhill with the 2014 and none of the "improvements" have helped mileage or towing capability. Good luck!
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:00 PM   #662
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The "de-contenting" of the Tundra is quite shocking. My friend just purchased a 2015 Tundra, having sold his 2001 with 230,000 miles. We did a brief comparison of my 2010 LTD with his 2015 LTD, and noted the following features that his does not have:

  • folding mirrors-this is a major inconvenience (Q-when the tow package is purchased why doesn't Toyota include tow mirrors???)
  • map pockets on back of front seats
  • second sun visor
  • grab handles on drivers side
  • upper glove box
  • center storage lid does not extend
  • smaller fog lights
These are just the immediate items we noticed. It seems like you would have to go to the Platinum or 1794 (?) model to get the features once found on the LTD.

I may expand my replacement considerations to include Ford/GMC etc. if it the reliability of engines and transmission can be validated.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:33 PM   #663
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Saw a 2015 Tundra 4x4 1794 short bed today at the dealer. Nicest interior I've seen yet and I have seen all the trucks in last month. Literally. Our deciding factor will be payload as to whether we can add the Tundra to our short list.

Screwy thing today...

The above truck door sticker read payload 1300 lbs. 2015 Toyota Tundra brouchure said 1525 lbs. Exact model, trim, cab, and 4x4 were checked. Two sales reps and a manager after 20 minutes said they would call Toyota. Got a call an hour ago saying that the 1300 lb payload sticker was for the bed only. I had the opinion that payload was total capacity for passengers, fuel, and any cargo in cab or bed. Total weight.


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Old 07-21-2015, 04:29 PM   #664
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Saw a 2015 Tundra 4x4 1794 short bed today at the dealer. Nicest interior I've seen yet and I have seen all the trucks in last month. Literally. Our deciding factor will be payload as to whether we can add the Tundra to our short list.

Screwy thing today...

The above truck door sticker read payload 1300 lbs. 2015 Toyota Tundra brouchure said 1525 lbs. Exact model, trim, cab, and 4x4 were checked. Two sales reps and a manager after 20 minutes said they would call Toyota. Got a call an hour ago saying that the 1300 lb payload sticker was for the bed only. I had the opinion that payload was total capacity for passengers, fuel, and any cargo in cab or bed. Total weight.


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Unless that "for the bed only" comes signed on Toyota Motor Sales USA corporate letterhead, I'm betting it's the entire payload. It's a pretty normal number for a top-trim crew-cab 4x4 half-ton these days.
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Old 07-21-2015, 05:35 PM   #665
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The payload sticker on the door states "the combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXXXlbs" The sales person is the last person to take advice from.

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Old 07-21-2015, 05:58 PM   #666
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Typically there are several weight ratings for each vehicle manufactured. While the given weight may be acceptable in one area, all areas are needed to be within the design of any vehicle.
GVWR Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
GCWR Gross Combined Weight Rating
GAWR Gross Axle Weight Rating - Front and Rear
Pay Load capacity
Cargo capacity
Towing capacity

Some are stamped on the door decal and some have to be obtained else where. And things like towing capacity may be dependant on optional equipment. To use terms interchangability can lead to an incorrect conclusion. In addition knowing the defination of a term used by the vehicle manufacturer gets a clearer picture of how a vehicle can handle certain loads. Some terms are mandated by the Government like GVWR and others not so much.

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Just went to another dealer. Same thing. No answers.

2015 Tundra limited 4x4 TRD.

2015 Toyota brouchure says 1535 lb payload.

Door sticker says "all passenger and gear" 1390 lbs.

So with 1794 model a 225 lb disparity. With Limited TRD model a 145 lb disparity.
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Can anyone explain the disparity in published payloads compared to door stickers?
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:42 PM   #669
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The brochures are not accurate just generalizations. The brochure doesn't break it down according to the options you choose. The only way to insure you are getting the desired payload is to check the door label payload sticker.

Having said that no one on this and other forums has reported failures to axles, suspension, engine, transmission towing over payload by a few hundred pounds.

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Old 07-21-2015, 07:27 PM   #670
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The "de-contenting" of the Tundra is quite shocking. My friend just purchased a 2015 Tundra, having sold his 2001 with 230,000 miles. We did a brief comparison of my 2010 LTD with his 2015 LTD, and noted the following features that his does not have:

  • folding mirrors-this is a major inconvenience (Q-when the tow package is purchased why doesn't Toyota include tow mirrors???)
  • map pockets on back of front seats
  • second sun visor
  • grab handles on drivers side
  • upper glove box
  • center storage lid does not extend
  • smaller fog lights
These are just the immediate items we noticed. It seems like you would have to go to the Platinum or 1794 (?) model to get the features once found on the LTD.

I may expand my replacement considerations to include Ford/GMC etc. if it the reliability of engines and transmission can be validated.

The back seats fold up instead of down and no longer recline. The seat backs are stationary. There is no access to behind the seat for storage.


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Can anyone explain the disparity in published payloads compared to door stickers?
Hi, for example, on my F-150 the book said 1900 lbs, but since my truck came with the off road package, I lost 155 lbs due to the skid plates. My Actual payload is 1745 lbs marked on my door sticker.
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Can anyone explain the disparity in published payloads compared to door stickers?

The published payload is the MAXIMUM payload, for a barebones vehicle with no options. Any options you add to your vehicle (sun roof, skid plates, running boards, power seats, etc) reduces that, and is reflected on the door sticker number. Published payload figures are good for advertising and nothing else. Door sticker number is what matters.
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