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Old 01-13-2015, 03:39 PM   #477
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In the Toyotas we have had (pickups and SUV's), the recommended oil changes were 3,500 miles more than 10 years ago, then 5,000 and now 10,000. The venerable V6 has seen all of those recommendations. Of course, they continue to improve the V6 and so it is not the same engine as our 1999 Tacoma or 2000 4Runner. The small V8 also was 3,500 miles if I remember correctly, but the big V8 said 5,000 in 2007. I found a forum where someone said Toyota in 2009 recommended 5,000 for "real" oil and 10,000 for synthetic for the 5.7 L.

But then I found on a Toyota website this:

"What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE and 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)
Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
In the case of vehicles with 10,000 mile oil change intervals, the 5,000 mile service interval has not been eliminated. The traditional 5,000 mile maintenance procedures (such as tire rotation) will continue to be required, and the fluid levels (such as brake fluid) will need to be checked and adjusted at this time.
If the vehicle operation meets the standard criteria for "Special Operating Conditions" such as: driving off-road, on dirt roads, towing a trailer, making repeated short trips under 32˚ F, or extensive idling; the engine oil must be replaced at 5,000 mile intervals, regardless of what type of oil is used.
*The 2TR-FE (4Runner / Tacoma) and the 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85."

Is that clear? Are they correct? Our 2013 FJ Cruiser, which has the same V6 at the 4Runner, says 10,000 miles which seems to be contradicted by the above. What would BMW do (WWBD)?

Regardless, it is time to change my oil.

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Old 01-14-2015, 05:36 AM   #478
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I carried a 350# motorcycle on a hitch mounted rack yesterday, 200 miles on the back of my Tundra. Wow, it was like a different truck. Couldn't believe how smooth the ride was. I may they some sand bags back there. I'm going to move the bike to the bed, and tow the AS in March. It'll be a nice test run.
My Tundra is the FF version, so I guess I'll change oil a little more frequently, although I wouldn't run E85 unless it was the only option..
BMWs have horrible resale, but I am sure that has nothing to do with oil change intervals. I love mine, but I did buy it used. My Tundra too, for that matter.
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:43 AM   #479
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Hi, my wife's BMW has an oil change rate at 15,000 miles. Scary to me, but so far so good. I do 5,000 miles on the Lincoln.
Since 1985 I have been changing my oil once a year. Many times 20k miles have accumulated in that year. I have not wore out a single part, ball joints, wheel bearings, or motors. I use LE products.
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:16 AM   #480
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when i picked up my M3 some years back, i was told i could get the oil changed whenever i wanted but the car would know more about when it was needed. sure enough, that first change happened at 7,500, the next at 12,000 and so on.

today, i just wait until my vehicles 'tell' me when to head on in for an oil change. i prefer synthetic but i really build a rock solid case as to why
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:56 AM   #481
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As a current Tundra owner I was an owner of a couple of BMWs back in my youth, 1976 2002 (my Ensignmobile when I got commissioned in the Navy) and a few years later wanted a Tii so found a 2004 2002Tii. After I got married, sold it and never had a BMW again. They got too expensive.

Since my 2010 Tundra sits most of the time would it be better to have synthetic oil? I might use it every couple of weeks to take some yard debris to the recycling center or to run an errand. During the spring, summer and fall I tow our AS to the local COE parks once a month. This June I'm going out to Utah to visit my daughter to camp with her at Grand Canyon North Rim, Zion and Bryce so it will be the first real test of the Tundra towing. Going to Florida in 2013 was no real test.

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OK, this thread has now become a BMW thread, and, OMG, yet another oil thread!

I think BMW changed their approach to maintenance when they got sued a few years ago by a guy who paid good $$ for a certified used 7-series that was a lease return. It had about 40K miles on the clock, and he had it about a month before the engine blew up. Turned out the car had never had an oil change, not even at the dealer that resold it. He demanded a new engine, they wanted to fix the old one, lawsuit ensued, etc. etc. Initially, BMW began including maintenance in the lease payment, and would add whopping fees at the end of the lease if maintenance documents couldn't be produced. Now I guess they include it an all new cars.

I've never owned a BMW. Not sure why, but they've never appealed to me. A former friend had an M5 with about $10K of Dinan stuff on it, 400+ HP, that car was scary fast, and its 60-year-old dentist owner drove it like a 16-year-old. The guy scared the sh&t out of me - I refused to ride with him. Who cares if he could break the rearend loose at 70 on the freeway? Sheesh.
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As a current Tundra owner I was an owner of a couple of BMWs back in my youth, 1976 2002 (my Ensignmobile when I got commissioned in the Navy) and a few years later wanted a Tii so found a 2004 2002Tii. After I got married, sold it and never had a BMW again. They got too expensive.


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Oops. That should be 1974 2002 Tii not 2004. Getting back to Tundras, I like my Tundra much better than my old 2002s.

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Old 01-14-2015, 04:42 PM   #484
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I have been changing oil and filter. In my Toyota's; '76; '85; and '08 every 3K miles. The Tundra uses 0-20w.
Don't plan to make any changes to my service intervals.
My '76 had 250K; The '85 has 300K and uses no oil. The Tundra has 26K. 95% of it's use is towing my Argosy 26'. I am pushing 70 real hard.
Figure I will expire before the Tundra.
It cost $50+ when I do the work myself. If I could find ethanol free fuel, I would buy it in a heart beat.
Plan to do it myself as long as I can.
Do you think the price of a quart of oil will drop like the fuel prices have?


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My wifes Chevrolet Venture has 210k miles on it and runs perfect. It has had 10 oil changes since new. If I changed every 3k I would of changed the oil 70 times. No thanks. Its about 10 bucks a qt.
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my commuter car was a Honda 1500 two door hatch back. 4 cylinders, 2 barrel carb, 52 mpg day in and day out. i started it in the morning, hit the freeway and drove for 1.5 hrs to work, shut it off and then repeated coming home. i changed the oil twice a year, on the season change.

nephew, a petroleum engineer, advised that the biggest threat to a vehicles oil is condensation, start and stop, etc. given this engine came up to temp and stayed there, i was comfortable with this approach through 450,000 flawless miles.
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I. If I could find ethanol free fuel, I would buy it in a heart beat.

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The biggest problems for internal combustion engines are initial lack of lubrication on initial startup along with the fact that gasoline is a solvent.
It is proven that synthetic lubricants last longer and take longer to break down.But 5000 miles is as long as I personally would go before changes.
Having worked for Mercedes Benz,Ferrari,Lamborghini and Chevrolet I have seen my share of engines.
I run Mobile 1 in everything that I own except my motorcycles.I never go over 5000 miles between changes.
From what I have learned in my career the answer is yes run synthetic oil and change it regularly do not let the computer gunk up you expensive engine.I have seen this happen over and over on BMW and Mercedes Benz automobiles.Free maintainence is nice but you always get what you pay for.


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Slowmover; Thanks for the info on ethanol free gas. Will check it out. Hope they have at least 87 octane.


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Locator maps online. Said it was 91-octane.
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