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Old 12-11-2014, 09:14 AM   #379
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Bud, I have an '07 Tundra double cab with the 5.7 L. and a 25' Safari FB. I think it's a good combination, but I wouldn't tow a 27' Safari much less a Classic. I see in your post you say it's a Classic, but under your name it's an International CCD.

Look at the payloads for the Tundra—they are different for each trim line. They are adequate for a 25' Safari (now Flying Cloud), but anything heavier, and the Classic is a lot heavier, and I think you will have to have a truck empty of everything but the driver after a severe weight reduction program and no more than 5 gallons of gas (maybe an exaggeration). Payload is the limiting factor for the Tundra. It is a 1/2 ton, not a 3/4. I believe the standard cab model with 2wd—a hard combination to find—has the highest payload.

The Toyota is a very good truck, very reliable, though it uses more gas than I am happy with and changing the oil filter is a horrible experience. Because we wanted the Tundra, we limited our trailer selection because anything heavier than the Safari 25' was too much for the truck in our opinion.

Welcome to the Forum. There are endless threads about weight, various brands of trucks (be prepared for people's personal bias toward specific brands), hitching systems, etc. Some will recommend nothing less than towing with a monster truck and others will say you can do it with a Smart car (another exaggeration, but you'll see it starts to seem that way). It'll take a while to sort out.

Right now there are excellent deals on trucks and most especially on recent model trade ins.

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What's the tongue weight loaded of your 27? Payload includes, gas, passengers, add ons like steps. I love my Tundra but the payload is limiting.
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Old 12-11-2014, 11:20 AM   #380
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Toyota includes the weight of the fuel. So you don't have to include that weight in the cargo carrying capacity. They also include the driver. Not sure how they figure the weight of the driver. I can tell you I exceed the 200#'s. if that's what it is.
So the load carrying capacity of my '08 Double Cab, 2WD TUNDRA is 1,465+ 220#'s fuel+ 200+ for me. Round numbers. That's about 1,900#'s.. Not bad for a 1/2 ton truck.


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Old 12-11-2014, 12:18 PM   #381
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Tundras vary greatly. For a quick calculation I personally find GVWR - Curb is an easy estimate. GVWR is constant and doesn't change with fuel/drivers etc....it's the "limit" for a particular chassis...period. Posted curb weights include full fluids but not ANY occupants.

From Toyota:
"CURB WEIGHT - The weight of an empty vehicle, without cargo, driver, and passengers, but including maximum amounts of fuel, oil, coolant, and standard equipment, including the spare tire and tools"

It's also worth noting that "Curb weight" is the "average" weight of that particular model and can be higher with additional equipment that isn't included....Tech package for instance.

Here's an example of a 2015 4x4 CrewCab 5.7 Limited...
GVWR - Curb Weight = 7200 - 5850 = 1350lbs

Lets say an "average" driver/passenger combination = 350lbs

2015 4x4 CrewCab 5.7 Limited
GVWR - Curb Weight = 7200 - 5850 (-350) = 1000lbs left for payload

2015 4x2 Regular Cab Longbed
7000-4916 = 2016 (-350) = 1734 left for payload

These two (I believe) represent the smallest and largest payload for a "Tundra" in 2015

TG Twinkie....The 2015 4x2 Double Cab (closest to your '08 in '15 spec)
6700-5093 = 1607 (-350) = 1257 left for payload
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i don't know if this applies to Tundras with the TRD package, but my '07 Tacoma with the TRD off road package has softer leaf springs (3 vs. 4 leaf) which greatly reduced the payload. Mine is also a 4x4 so it has less towing capacity than the 4x2 because of the extra weight.
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Old 12-11-2014, 01:52 PM   #383
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Toyota includes the weight of the fuel. So you don't have to include that weight in the cargo carrying capacity. They also include the driver. Not sure how they figure the weight of the driver. I can tell you I exceed the 200#'s. if that's what it is.
So the load carrying capacity of my '08 Double Cab, 2WD TUNDRA is 1,465+ 220#'s fuel+ 200+ for me. Round numbers. That's about 1,900#'s.. Not bad for a 1/2 ton truck.


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These numbers are not mfr. specific. FMVSS spells out the items and quantities for door labels.

Full of fluids, including fuel. All options as built and certified by the final vehicle manufacturer and driver. IIRC the driver weight, in recognition of the "fattening of America" was increased form 150# to 175# a number of years ago...but still isn't high enough!
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:49 AM   #384
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I'll offer this information to the discussion;
Coming back from Moab, we pulled into the port-of-entry in Fruita, CO, and asked the officer if I could weight my rig. No problem! I had always thought that the weight stations were just for commercial trucks, but I guess anyone can use them. So I pulled up and placed the front axle on the scale, and the LED light displayed the weight. Then pulled forward and placed the rear axle on the scale, panel displayed the weight, then pulled forward and placed the trailer axle on the scale, and noted the weight.

Very easy and quick. you do not even have to get out of your vehicle, and does not cost a dime.

Here are the results, followed by a description of the condition of the vehicle;

Axle Weight Sticker GVW Variance
#1-front 3586 4000 414
#2-rear 3820 4250 330
Trailer Axle 4080 4500 420

Totals 11,446 12,650 1204

Conditions;
Vehicle-2010 Toyota Tundra Crew Cab, with SnugTop Topper, Roof Box, side steps, Tires Michelin 18" A/T 2, load range E, 1/2 tank gas, 2-adults, 1-dog, Honda generator, BBQ, LaFuma recliner chairs, Coleman Ice chest loaded,

Trailer-19' single axle Bambi, full propane tanks(aluminum), 1/4 fresh water (about 6 gal), black and gray tanks empty, food, clothing, bedding, dishes, etc., Fiamma rear bike rack with 2-bikes; 16" Michelin M/S2 LRE tires, two-six volt LifeLine batteries, which are about 65 pounds each.

This tells me that I was under the gross, though filling up the gas tank would add about another 100 pounds.
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Under your axle ratings but way over your GVWR and payload ratings. 7200lbs?
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:51 AM   #386
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sorry that the formatting did not come out right;

Axle 1-front of vehicle-actual weight=3586; sticker GVW=4000; under by 414

Axle 2-rear of vehicle-actual weight=3820; sticker GVW=4150; under by 330

Trailer Axle-actual weight=4080; sticker GVW=4500; under by 420

Total weight all three (3) axles=11,446
Total GVW of all three (3) axles=12,650

Difference under/(over)=1,204

The actual weight was under the published GVW on each axle, and total of all axles.
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Toyota Tundra as a Tow Vehicle

Yes, but axle ratings added don't equal GVWR (curb+payload). You are technically a few hundred pounds over your GVWR and payload ratings. That's all I was getting at.
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Old 12-12-2014, 11:25 AM   #388
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I don't think so; the CrewMax Gross Combined Weight (GCW) is rated at 15,300.

GCW is the maximum allowable weight for a pickup pulling a trailer, including cargo and passengers, that the truck can handle without risking damage.

so if the actual weight is 11,446, I am 3,854 lbs under.

Should be noted that Toyota changed the way they calculate GCW to a more conservative result.
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Looks like the combined load on each axle with the trailer attached totals 7406lbs. What is the GVWR shown on your black door sticker? What is the payload shown on the yellow door sticker. Is your Tundra 4x4?

I think most Tundras towing an Airstream travel will be over listed payload. My 2010 Double Cab 2wd GVWR is 6900lbs and payload is 1465. I haven't weighed mine.

I still don't understand why the GAWR added together shouldn't equal GVWR. My GWAR Frt is 3900 and GWAR RR is 4100 so why isn't my GVWR not 8000? If the load on both axles is still under each axle rating then why isn't that good enough?

Good tip for getting your tow and trailer weighed. Thanks for sharing.

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I'll retrieve the GVWR over the weekend and report back. Tundra is in dry storage for the winter.
It is a 4x4 Limited.
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If Cory_Can is right, that the GVWR is 7200, and the combined weight of the vehicle axles is 7406, then it could be over by 200 lbs. Which is confusing is that the individual axle limits total 8150. I guess I'll find out when I get the data from the vehicle sticker.
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Toyota Tundra as a Tow Vehicle

The gross combined is somewhat a useless figure because it doesn't take into account payload or GVWR. You can almost "manipulate" the numbers on the truck and move it backwards into the trailer allowances.....which is what you have done by saying you are 3800lbs under.



Essentially you could have an empty truck at lets say 5600lbs and tow a 9700lbs trailer and be at your GCW.



However, in the real world a loaded truck in your case including passengers, gear and trailer tongue weight is ~7400lbs which is 200-300lbs over your payload and GVWR numbers, which is either 7100 or 7200 lbs.

Along with this train of thought and perhaps someone with experience towing something other than travel trailers can chime in. These 1/2 tonne pickups with 10K towing limits.....how is that even possible with around a 1000-1200lbs payload once you account for a (more) typical driver. Wouldn't tongue weight of 10K lb loads be 1000-1500lbs alone?





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I don't think so; the CrewMax Gross Combined Weight (GCW) is rated at 15,300.



GCW is the maximum allowable weight for a pickup pulling a trailer, including cargo and passengers, that the truck can handle without risking damage.



so if the actual weight is 11,446, I am 3,854 lbs under.



Should be noted that Toyota changed the way they calculate GCW to a more conservative result.
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