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Old 12-01-2008, 08:16 PM   #15
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I works for me........

I have the same trailer, Airstream 2007 27' FB Classic and tow it with a 2008 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7 engine. There has been almost no issue. We did take the combo to Nova Scotia and Cape Breton. There are some hills where more power might be helpful, but in almost all cases I don't even know that the trailer is back there. The reason we selected the Toyota is the way it handles on its own. Both my wife and I found that the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks ride is rough and unpleasant.

We are leaving soon for a 4-5 month trip and we look forward to many hours of happy travels.

Best wishes on whatever you choose.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:28 AM   #16
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Hi Tod, The only limits will be the GVWR of the Tundra. I am towing an 08 FB Safari SE but I changed out the mattress for a Tempurpedic, must add 200 to 300 lbs to the tongue, about 1100 tongue wt. I am pretty much fulltime so bed is very important. With TV and AS fully loaded there is about 14K rolling. Going across the Cascade Mts. I have to the check my mirror to see if AS still there. Thanksgiving we drove to Bend over highway 58, Willamatte Pass, set the cruise at 55, speed limit, and let her go. Had to watch the speed on the 40 mph curves, which 45 felt good, and was back up to 55 at the touch of the resume. On the downhill side the speed control downshifts to hold back on speed. Only had to brake on some of the slow curves.
I have 4K/5K on AS and 7K on Tundra averaging 11-12 mpg towing. I am in no hurry, so I keep it down to 55-60. Worst milage on the flats was coming down the Columbia Gorge with a 50 mph head wind, 8 mpg.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:52 AM   #17
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Yep, going 75 mph will suck the gas down, With my '68 I be I could do 80+ up some of the passes, NOT THAT I WOULD. that would be a little scary. 60-65 is your best mpg, but I keep it at about 70-75 mph on the interstate where posted. get about 11 mpg doing this..
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:56 AM   #18
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I have a 2008 Tundra 5.7 crew cab, SR5 trim. I LOVE IT. Tow capacity is 10,800 with the tow package.

The only problem I have is that it is easy to forget your have a trailer.

Absolutely an excellent tow vehicle, I use it weekly for the Argosy and/or my 5,000 lb boat.

Best of all, I get 19-20 MPG on the highway with cruise control, better then I got with my 2004 Honda Pilot. I get 11 MPG pulling the Argosy. Not bad.
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:03 AM   #19
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Richard,
Bet you slowed down a little on the hairpins on the east side. Have they got all the work done on he west side yet?
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:18 AM   #20
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You bet there are a couple of turns on both sides of that hill that will make you slow down. I remember my wife commenting on how beatiful the views were. I stayed very focused on the road ahead. It looks like all the construction is done for now. The road is much improved since the last time I made the trip.
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Old 12-05-2008, 04:26 PM   #21
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Thank you for starting this thread. I have been looking for a TV since I bought my AS in Oct. I stopped into the local Toyota dealer and was really surprised at the cost of a new Truck. The Gms and Dodges I have been looking at are $$$$$ more.
I know I should buy North American but I am not rich and if I want to enjoy my "later life" I have to save where I can. The Toyota seems like my best bet.
Again, Thank you to all who posted.
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Old 12-05-2008, 04:42 PM   #22
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I was recently rear-ended by an 18-wheeler (trailer not in tow) which ended the towing career of my Cadillac ESV Escalade. I tow a 2007 27 FB Classic. I am fully aware that I towed at the edge with the Escalade, but carefully controlled loading and never had any problems. However, I am considering replacing the Escalade with the Tundra with 5.7 liter engine and 6-speed transmission. The listed tow rating of this truck is 10,100 lbs. My 27-footer typically weighs in at about 6,600 lbs (NOT counting 800 lbs on the tongue), but is rated up to 9,000 lbs.... can't imagine loading to that limit.

All of my weights are within the advertised capacity of the Tundra with 15 to 20 percent margin.

The truck will become my daily driver and I prefer not going to a 2500 HD Dodge/Chevy/Ford. Have cosidered a 2500 Suburban or GMC, but Toyota looks more user friendly for me.

Any knowledge, experience, or advice out there?

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Unless you have already done so, something you might want to check is the CGVWR (combined gross vehicle weight rating) of the Tundra.

I recently bought a 2005 Classic 30, my first AS. Before I bought it, I was already pretty convinced from what I had read on this forum that I would need a 3/4ton truck to pull it comfortably and safely, so I was prepared.

At the time I owned a 1/2 ton Sierra 4x4 extended cab that was fine for my last trailer.

I pulled the AS home from Ohio with my 1/2 ton. It was ok, but not at all the relaxed towing I had with my previous smaller trailer.

The GVW of the AS was within the limits of my 1/2 tons rated towing ability, but when i checked the truck's CGVW, i found that when towing the AS, I was 1000# over the Sierra's rated value.

Since then I have bought a new diesel 2500HD. It won't be quite as convenient as a daily driver, but I'm ok with that. I believe it will be a great match with the AS.

I have been convinced by the old adage I have seen quoted on this forum,

"Better to have more truck than you need than to need more truck than you have!"

I looked briefly at the Toyota trucks but in the end had to rule them out in my case. The dry wt of my trailer is about 7200# and the GVW is 8750#.
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"I know I should buy North American but I am not rich and if I want to enjoy my "later life" I have to save where I can."
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No worries, the Toyota Tundra is made in San Antonio, TX.
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"I looked briefly at the Toyota trucks but in the end had to rule them out in my case. The dry wt of my trailer is about 7200# and the GVW is 8750#."
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My Tundra has a towing capacity of 10,800. The Sierra might be different.

If you buy a Tundra and you have a family, I recommend the Crew Cab SR5. The back seat is HUGE. And one neat feature, the side mirrors slide out, you just pull them straight out and you have extended view when pulling, and slide them in when you are done. How cool is that?
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The CGVWR of 08 Tundra Crew Max 4x4 is 16000 lbs.
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"I know I should buy North American but I am not rich and if I want to enjoy my "later life" I have to save where I can."
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No worries, the Toyota Tundra is made in San Antonio, TX.
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"I looked briefly at the Toyota trucks but in the end had to rule them out in my case. The dry wt of my trailer is about 7200# and the GVW is 8750#."
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My Tundra has a towing capacity of 10,800. The Sierra might be different.

If you buy a Tundra and you have a family, I recommend the Crew Cab SR5. The back seat is HUGE. And one neat feature, the side mirrors slide out, you just pull them straight out and you have extended view when pulling, and slide them in when you are done. How cool is that?

Yep, I wasn't concerned about your towing ability, My old 1/2 ton Sierra was also adequate in that respect - but only just.

Where my old truck fell short was in CGVWR.

I'm not sure how important that is, but my Sierra fell 1000 pounds short in that respect when towing my AS.

I don't know about the Tundra in combination with your trailer. Just thought you might want to check it out to be sure is is within Toyota's specs before plunking down your $$!

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Hi Tod, The only limits will be the GVWR of the Tundra. I am towing an 08 FB Safari SE but I changed out the mattress for a Tempurpedic, must add 200 to 300 lbs to the tongue, about 1100 tongue wt. I am pretty much fulltime so bed is very important. With TV and AS fully loaded there is about 14K rolling. Going across the Cascade Mts. I have to the check my mirror to see if AS still there. Thanksgiving we drove to Bend over highway 58, Willamatte Pass, set the cruise at 55, speed limit, and let her go. Had to watch the speed on the 40 mph curves, which 45 felt good, and was back up to 55 at the touch of the resume. On the downhill side the speed control downshifts to hold back on speed. Only had to brake on some of the slow curves.
I have 4K/5K on AS and 7K on Tundra averaging 11-12 mpg towing. I am in no hurry, so I keep it down to 55-60. Worst milage on the flats was coming down the Columbia Gorge with a 50 mph head wind, 8 mpg.
Do you calculate your own fuel mileage or use the computer? And have you checked your odomter against the mile markers?
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Some people say the computer is off. I checked mine a few times on trips and it was off by about .1 to .3 mpg off. Which isn't to bad, because when you refill your tank you can never get the same amount in unless you fill it to the very very top. And that makes a mess so I don't do it. Or you drive till you run out and use gas cans to refill. Yeah I want to do that...
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Hi Tod, The only limits will be the GVWR of the Tundra. I am towing an 08 FB Safari SE but I changed out the mattress for a Tempurpedic, must add 200 to 300 lbs to the tongue, about 1100 tongue wt.
I have 4K/5K on AS and 7K on Tundra averaging 11-12 mpg towing.
I disagree Scotty about the "only limits". Payload is the first limit you'll run into with the Tundra. I should've checked to see which Tundra you have (if it's somewhere to be found on the Forum), but on mine it's 1,560 lbs (4wd, double cab, 5.7 L engine). Besides the tongue weight, add in the Airstream spare tire and the weight of the propane (propane: 60 lbs.) plus your added bed weight (if the Tempurpedic weighs an extra 200-300 lbs. what's in it? Lead? How would you get such a heavy item in there?), then for the truck: fuel, coolant, you, spouse(s), children, friends, cargo such as generator, weight distributing system (Equalizer, Hensley, Reese, etc.), all that other stuff that accumulates. I think you find you're near or over the payload.

I have no doubt it'll tow it and feel ok, but there's got to be a price for exceeding the capacity of the truck. It's probably extra wear and tear on the suspension, perhaps on the transmission, differential, drive shaft, etc.

I check mileage the old fashioned way—divide gallons into miles driven. The read out is high (.5 or more), though not as high as in our '06 4Runner (1 to 2). The odometer is also off and reads about 3% high. I checked that against mile markers on interstates a few times for 10 or 20 miles (I don't trust they are placed right either, so the errors even out after a while). It is not all that easy to fill the tank because the backpressure setting on the pump will shut it off at different levels depending where you buy gas and it's hard to get more in, so calculating gas mileage is never accurate as purman says. We have gotten as low as 9 in Nevada on US 50 going over all the mountain ranges and 12+ coming down from Donner Summit going west on I 80. It seems to average around 11.5 or a little less. We drive no more than 65 and do that as much as possible.

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