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Old 01-18-2011, 10:17 AM   #239
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Seems like this thread has been bantered about for some time now. I am new here and have read through the entire post. After looking for a couple of years now, we are planning on buying an AS in the very new future. My wife and I have found the 28' floor plan to be the best all around plan for us two. But after reading this thread I have a question. We purchased a new 2010 Tundra with it's sole intend to be the TV or the AS. I got everything I could think of on the truck to make it a good solid TV. It is a regular cab 4WD. It has a load capacity of 2,000 lbs and a tow capacity of 10,000 lbs. plus. I have the tow package and the extend-able mirrors. Here is my question. More than one of you have stated that the 25FB is about the max an Tundra can tow adequately and that you wouldn't go with any larger unit. However, when comparing the stats. the 28 footer has the same GVW as the 25FB. In fact the 27FB has a higher GVW rating than the 28 footer. I realize there is additional tongue weight on the 28, but other than that is there something I am not getting here?
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:32 AM   #240
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I originally thought 25' was the limit, but after towing with the Tundra for 3+ years, I am sure it has the power and transmission for longer trailers. The question with 1/2 ton trucks is payload and since you have gotten the model with just about the highest payload, you are in a good position and it seems the 27' and 28' would be ok with it. This is probably correct for all 2nd generation Tundras despite payloads around 1,500 lbs. for many of them.

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Old 01-18-2011, 11:41 AM   #241
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The numbers for the Tundra indicate that it is quite capable of proving safe towing for your AS.....I tow a 25' with my 05 Tacoma, 6cyl. Having been told that I could not safely tow with the Tacoma, I found that with the proper hitch set up and keeping the guidelines for capacities, most of those who would advise otherwise simply are incorrect.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:33 PM   #242
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One 25' trailer is not the same as another—a '73 Tradewind is approx. 2,000 lbs. lighter than my 25'. That 6 cyl. engine—the basic engine has been around well back into the '90's—has been jazzed up so that by the mid-2000's, it was close to the hp. of the first V8 Toyota made.

I think the posts concerning what the upper limit is for towing with a 1/2 ton truck generally talk about recent years. As trailers have gotten heavier, 1/2 trucks have gotten bigger and badder. Like all generalizations, it's easy to find exceptions.

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Old 01-18-2011, 07:29 PM   #243
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. . It has a load capacity of 2,000 lbs and a tow capacity of 10,000 lbs. plus . . . when comparing the stats the 28 footer has the same GVW as the 25FB . . . I realize there is additional tongue weight on the 28, but other than that is there something I am not getting here?
That's pretty much the same as my '04 Dodge 3/4T. I found it was not hard to approach rear GAWR with our rig equipped for full-timing (a bigger, longer though not necessarily heavier trailer).

One would want to scale the truck with full fuel, driver/pax and the tools/supplies that never leave the truck. This would be the "empty" weight from hereon. (The published shipping weight is near meaningless, so, certified scale weights only for calculations.

By the same notion, take 85% of the trailer GVWR as the equipped weight, and run the simulation of 13% TW (to 15%). Add in some weight for the hitch rigging apparatus. Add some TW for full propane tanks. (Do it again at TT GVWR and at 65% if desired; with TW variations from 12.5 to 15% on each).

The WDH should remove 25% of the TW and leverage it back onto the trailer wheels (the TV front wheels should return to unhitched height/weight) by the general formula in use (check your vehicle manufacturer website).

What payload capacity is left over is what is available. It might not be much.

As with the above, I would assume (from this armchair) that all will be fine. Were it me I would look for -- and cite posts/threads -- examples of the TV and of the TT (plus TW weight), and run through some simulations in a dedicated thread asking for advice/insights. The threads on this site about using the formula such as this one: Tundra + A/S on Certified Scale should give what you want.

Good luck

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Old 01-19-2011, 04:40 AM   #244
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As I have posted in the past-- my 2010 Crewmax 4x4 TRD pulls my 2003 30 foot Classis like it isn't even there. I used the same truck to pull a 1986 Excella and never had one problem. Both time, if I kept the speed to aroung 65 mph or 110 kms, I was getting 13.2 miles to a gallon. The only gages that moves while towing is the speedometer and gas gage.
Friends used to tow their 34 footer with a Jag. CAR. and you worry about a Toyota truck?
Hitch up and enjoy the view out your front window. You will not have a problem hauling your airstream.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:24 AM   #245
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excessive Tundra tire wear

I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem- we replaced the OEM tires with Continentals, which had a better wear rating, and got 10k out of them- this is used on straight country roads, and has maybe towed 200 miles. The dealer and Toyota were useless- this is normal wear blah blah blah. I have 4 other cars and another truck without this problem. Grrr. otherwise, its a capable TV
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Old 01-24-2011, 09:49 AM   #246
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem- we replaced the OEM tires with Continentals, which had a better wear rating, and got 10k out of them- this is used on straight country roads, and has maybe towed 200 miles. The dealer and Toyota were useless- this is normal wear blah blah blah. I have 4 other cars and another truck without this problem. Grrr. otherwise, its a capable TV
I know where Sea Ranch is how is it possible for you to be on "straight country roads"? Are they wearing evenly? I have an older Tundra and the original tires only went about 30K, then went to Toyo which got about 35K, and now have Michelin which are the best so far.
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Globie, I just replaced the original tires on my '08 at 32K. I wasn't happy with how they wore out so fast, by my calculations. I now have a set of Yokohama Geolanders on and will have to see how they do. I think 10K is indicative of a problem, either with the tire itself or the running gear of your truck. Anything less than 30K and I would be looking for some answers.

L4740, I tow with an '08 extra cab and I believe that you will have no problem towing. My ONLY concern is the tongue weight. If it is too high it will limit the amount of cargo you can carry. You will have plenty of power for towing but you might want to check the actual tongue weight of the trailer.
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:02 PM   #248
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k.
Are you doing wheelies?

We replaced the crappy OEM tires with Michelin LTX A/T2 Load Range E and are approaching 40,000 miles with plenty of tread left.

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No wheelies, and Highway one within Sea Ranch is nearly entirely straight- the truck is used to ferry plants within the Sea Ranch, not on the twisty parts of route one. I think I said, our Ridgeline doing the same service got 60k+ out of the OEM tires. The tires are wearing evenly, are rotated and the pressure is kept up. It is a mystery- we have 5 vehicles here now, have had two other trucks, a Volvo wagon, an Element and an Accord V6 here, and with our driving, even on the twisty parts, we've never worn tires down this fast!
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem-
I have 51,000 on the tires that came from the factory and just had the truck in for an oil change. When measured all still have 8/32 on them. I have had the truck 2 1/2 years and have had no tire problems. Oh, about 30,000 of those miles is pulling the Airstream(s).
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I've bought Toyotas that had good tires and ones that didn't. Our 2006 4Runner Limited had two different tires that came on them—one were Michelins and the others were a brand I can't remember. We specified the Michelins and they lasted 65,000 miles and still had some tread, but it was time for new Michelins. The '07 Tundra SR5 came with the Goodrich tires. Maybe the Limited models come with better tires.

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If I recall, the regular Tundras came with Michelin tires. We ordered the TRD option; and it came with BFG Rugged Trails, which reportedly didn't run very long. We have about 36,000 miles on ours, and they are about ready for replacement.

I think the biggest problem is the 5.7L V8. It's really hard to keep off the throttle when the Airstream isn't in tow. Our commuter vehicle is a Prius, so my wife and I drive our Tundra like we do the Prius. However, on the Tundra forums, most other people have the pedal to the metal most of the time; and they constantly complain about poor fuel economy and tires that don't last. On that site, Rugged Trail replacement was usually necessary around 24,000 miles, with some reported slick with as few as 12,000 miles.

Our replacements will probably be Michelin LTX M/S 2's, and I expect them to last 65-75,000 miles.
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