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Old 01-18-2011, 10:41 AM   #241
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The numbers for the Tundra indicate that it is quite capable of proving safe towing for your AS.....I tow a 25' with my 05 Tacoma, 6cyl. Having been told that I could not safely tow with the Tacoma, I found that with the proper hitch set up and keeping the guidelines for capacities, most of those who would advise otherwise simply are incorrect.
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Old 01-18-2011, 11:33 AM   #242
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One 25' trailer is not the same as another—a '73 Tradewind is approx. 2,000 lbs. lighter than my 25'. That 6 cyl. engine—the basic engine has been around well back into the '90's—has been jazzed up so that by the mid-2000's, it was close to the hp. of the first V8 Toyota made.

I think the posts concerning what the upper limit is for towing with a 1/2 ton truck generally talk about recent years. As trailers have gotten heavier, 1/2 trucks have gotten bigger and badder. Like all generalizations, it's easy to find exceptions.

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Old 01-18-2011, 06:29 PM   #243
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. . It has a load capacity of 2,000 lbs and a tow capacity of 10,000 lbs. plus . . . when comparing the stats the 28 footer has the same GVW as the 25FB . . . I realize there is additional tongue weight on the 28, but other than that is there something I am not getting here?
That's pretty much the same as my '04 Dodge 3/4T. I found it was not hard to approach rear GAWR with our rig equipped for full-timing (a bigger, longer though not necessarily heavier trailer).

One would want to scale the truck with full fuel, driver/pax and the tools/supplies that never leave the truck. This would be the "empty" weight from hereon. (The published shipping weight is near meaningless, so, certified scale weights only for calculations.

By the same notion, take 85% of the trailer GVWR as the equipped weight, and run the simulation of 13% TW (to 15%). Add in some weight for the hitch rigging apparatus. Add some TW for full propane tanks. (Do it again at TT GVWR and at 65% if desired; with TW variations from 12.5 to 15% on each).

The WDH should remove 25% of the TW and leverage it back onto the trailer wheels (the TV front wheels should return to unhitched height/weight) by the general formula in use (check your vehicle manufacturer website).

What payload capacity is left over is what is available. It might not be much.

As with the above, I would assume (from this armchair) that all will be fine. Were it me I would look for -- and cite posts/threads -- examples of the TV and of the TT (plus TW weight), and run through some simulations in a dedicated thread asking for advice/insights. The threads on this site about using the formula such as this one: Tundra + A/S on Certified Scale should give what you want.

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Old 01-19-2011, 03:40 AM   #244
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As I have posted in the past-- my 2010 Crewmax 4x4 TRD pulls my 2003 30 foot Classis like it isn't even there. I used the same truck to pull a 1986 Excella and never had one problem. Both time, if I kept the speed to aroung 65 mph or 110 kms, I was getting 13.2 miles to a gallon. The only gages that moves while towing is the speedometer and gas gage.
Friends used to tow their 34 footer with a Jag. CAR. and you worry about a Toyota truck?
Hitch up and enjoy the view out your front window. You will not have a problem hauling your airstream.
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Old 01-24-2011, 12:24 AM   #245
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excessive Tundra tire wear

I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem- we replaced the OEM tires with Continentals, which had a better wear rating, and got 10k out of them- this is used on straight country roads, and has maybe towed 200 miles. The dealer and Toyota were useless- this is normal wear blah blah blah. I have 4 other cars and another truck without this problem. Grrr. otherwise, its a capable TV
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:49 AM   #246
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem- we replaced the OEM tires with Continentals, which had a better wear rating, and got 10k out of them- this is used on straight country roads, and has maybe towed 200 miles. The dealer and Toyota were useless- this is normal wear blah blah blah. I have 4 other cars and another truck without this problem. Grrr. otherwise, its a capable TV
I know where Sea Ranch is how is it possible for you to be on "straight country roads"? Are they wearing evenly? I have an older Tundra and the original tires only went about 30K, then went to Toyo which got about 35K, and now have Michelin which are the best so far.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:24 AM   #247
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Globie, I just replaced the original tires on my '08 at 32K. I wasn't happy with how they wore out so fast, by my calculations. I now have a set of Yokohama Geolanders on and will have to see how they do. I think 10K is indicative of a problem, either with the tire itself or the running gear of your truck. Anything less than 30K and I would be looking for some answers.

L4740, I tow with an '08 extra cab and I believe that you will have no problem towing. My ONLY concern is the tongue weight. If it is too high it will limit the amount of cargo you can carry. You will have plenty of power for towing but you might want to check the actual tongue weight of the trailer.
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Old 01-24-2011, 06:02 PM   #248
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k.
Are you doing wheelies?

We replaced the crappy OEM tires with Michelin LTX A/T2 Load Range E and are approaching 40,000 miles with plenty of tread left.

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Old 01-26-2011, 09:28 PM   #249
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No wheelies, and Highway one within Sea Ranch is nearly entirely straight- the truck is used to ferry plants within the Sea Ranch, not on the twisty parts of route one. I think I said, our Ridgeline doing the same service got 60k+ out of the OEM tires. The tires are wearing evenly, are rotated and the pressure is kept up. It is a mystery- we have 5 vehicles here now, have had two other trucks, a Volvo wagon, an Element and an Accord V6 here, and with our driving, even on the twisty parts, we've never worn tires down this fast!
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Old 01-29-2011, 05:46 AM   #250
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I'm fairly happy with our 08 Tundra except for one significant problem: we are on our THIRD set of tires at 23k. I wondered if anyone else had had this problem-
I have 51,000 on the tires that came from the factory and just had the truck in for an oil change. When measured all still have 8/32 on them. I have had the truck 2 1/2 years and have had no tire problems. Oh, about 30,000 of those miles is pulling the Airstream(s).
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:37 AM   #251
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I've bought Toyotas that had good tires and ones that didn't. Our 2006 4Runner Limited had two different tires that came on them—one were Michelins and the others were a brand I can't remember. We specified the Michelins and they lasted 65,000 miles and still had some tread, but it was time for new Michelins. The '07 Tundra SR5 came with the Goodrich tires. Maybe the Limited models come with better tires.

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Old 01-29-2011, 10:58 AM   #252
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If I recall, the regular Tundras came with Michelin tires. We ordered the TRD option; and it came with BFG Rugged Trails, which reportedly didn't run very long. We have about 36,000 miles on ours, and they are about ready for replacement.

I think the biggest problem is the 5.7L V8. It's really hard to keep off the throttle when the Airstream isn't in tow. Our commuter vehicle is a Prius, so my wife and I drive our Tundra like we do the Prius. However, on the Tundra forums, most other people have the pedal to the metal most of the time; and they constantly complain about poor fuel economy and tires that don't last. On that site, Rugged Trail replacement was usually necessary around 24,000 miles, with some reported slick with as few as 12,000 miles.

Our replacements will probably be Michelin LTX M/S 2's, and I expect them to last 65-75,000 miles.
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Old 01-29-2011, 01:59 PM   #253
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I think the biggest problem is the 5.7L V8. It's really hard to keep off the throttle when the Airstream isn't in tow.
It's true the Tundra requires a light foot on the pedal. Put the hammer down and you'll be close to flying. That's especially true after towing all day and then unhitching and driving unencumbered—then my right foot has to be re(s)trained. It's easy to go too fast on expressways and that's why cruise control helps. All that power is necessary for towing heavy trailers up mountains.

While it's tempting to challenge Porsches at traffic lights, I have so far avoided doing so. I do know when passing someone on a 2 lane road, by the time I am abreast I am usually going 85 before I notice and have to back off a bit.

Some tests show 0-60 in 6 seconds and with a supercharger, 4.4. I don't know how many gallons of gas you use in that 6 seconds.

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My experience is much the same as others. Original tires were replaced at 25K. I have 12K on the Michelins and they are looking great.
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I have the Tundra with the 4.6L and the tow package. I just purchased our AS and was excited to see that the previous owner also had a Tundra, though his was the 5.7L. No problems towing over Snoqualmie Pass in Washington on the way home in some windy and rainy conditions. Plenty of power, length of trailer not a wheelbase issue according to RV Consumer Group standards (110 WB for 20' trailer, add 4" of WB per foot). Handled like a dream.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:48 AM   #256
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Be thankful that you have the 2010 Tundra with the smaller V8. The 4.6 has the six speed tranny with 310 ft-lbs of torque and 327 hp. The 07-09 versions had the 4.7L with the five speed tranny and 276 ft-lbs torque and 313 hp. I think the fuel economy is better also with the 4.6L and the six speed.

That said, if you are towing I think going with the 5.7L motor is a no brainer. Lots of torque, minimal downshifting on hills and reasonable fuel economy (if you can keep your foot out of it).

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Tundra as a Tow Vehicle

I bought a 2010 Crew Max w/ 5.7 liter engine w/ 6 speed tranny, TRD suspension, cool box ram intake (adds approx. 20hp and 2mpg) and have been happy replaceing my 1998 5.4 (245 hp) liter Ford Expedition with it. I pull a 25' FB Safari (2007) fully loaded. As compared to my old Expedition its great. But as Dan noted you have to keep your foot out of it and keep the towing speeds to 65 mph (10-12 mpg) otherwise gas mileage goes into the basement (5 mpg or less). Actually, I would prefer a larger gas tank the 26 gallon tank is a bit too small, would prefer at least 30 gallon tank.
Have had some balancing difficulity with the BF Goodrich tires that came with. But persistance with Toyota worked that out. When worn out will replace with better tires.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:31 PM   #258
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We'll see how the Michelins do- I was just in to the Honda dealer for something on our S2000 (too bad that won't tow) and I was looking at the Pilots.
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:43 PM   #259
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I purchased a new 28' Flying Cloud last season and needed to upgrade my TV. My first choice was a Tundra; we have a Toyoto car and couldn't be more satisfied with it. I spoke with a "truck guy" neighbor who gave me a couple of web sites(sorry can't locate the one now) and found a video comparing Ford, Toyoto and GMC(?) where they were run over a course that looked like staggered railroad ties. Toyoto's bed/frame flexed much, much more than the others. The video bothered me enough that I ended up with a new Ford 3/4 ton which is serving me well. I wish that Toyoto would bring out a 3/4 truck which would probably drive improvement in our U.S. brands.
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sailor', is that the video that was made by Ford?

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