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Old 09-27-2014, 01:47 PM   #15
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If "Wishing" has the stock GoodYear Marathon 15" ST rated tires on their trailer, the side wall speed rating is 65 mph on all "ST" design tires.

The 7,600 pound GVW rating of the 27FB would still work on the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires that would mount on the stock Airstream factory wheels and getting rid of a sidewall speed restriction. We used those Michelins on our 25FB with the 7,300 pound GVW.

Or consider the Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires mounted on 16" SenDel T03-66655T wheels like the factory offers as an option and have load capacity and no speed restrictions. These tires are stock on the 2015 Classic and order able on the Eddie Bauer 25Fb and 27Fb models. We installed them on our Classic.
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If "Wishing" has the stock GoodYear Marathon 15" ST rated tires on their trailer, the side wall speed rating is 65 mph on all "ST" design tires.

The 7,600 pound GVW rating of the 27FB would still work on the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires that would mount on the stock Airstream factory wheels and getting rid of a sidewall speed restriction. We used those Michelins on our 25FB with the 7,300 pound GVW.

Or consider the Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires mounted on 16" SenDel T03-66655T wheels like the factory offers as an option and have load capacity and no speed restrictions. These tires are stock on the 2015 Classic and order able on the Eddie Bauer 25Fb and 27Fb models. We installed them on our Classic.
I like the idea of the larger tire without the speed restrictions.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:29 AM   #17
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I tow a 30 with a Tundra 5.7 CrewMax.
I love my truck, but it is maxed out on payload.
1,400# payload - 1,000# tongue weight = 400# - 2 passengers = 0
Then add fuel, bikes, firewood-
Payload is the only limiting factor when towing with a half ton.
I have towed 30,000 miles with it. The Tundra has plenty of power for any hill in Kentucky or Tennessee.
You already own the truck. Use it. If you didn't already have the truck and were looking to purchase I would say get a 3/4 ton.
The idea behind weight distributing hitches is to compensate for what the truck ain't got.
I personally like the interior of the Tundra and dislike some of the other interiors.
The point of others relating their Ford or Chevy experience is this: If they can do it with comparable payload and less horsepower, then you can do it.
In any campground you will see all kinds of vehicles towing- recently we've seen a Nissan Pathfinder and a Lexus RX300 towing. We have seen a Nissan Frontier, Dodge Dakota, Dodge Durango, Kia Borego-
If they can do it, we can do it.
In the 60's and 70's the used sedans and station wagons.
Go get you that new trailer, hook up, and go campin'.
I have had 2 trailers and 2 hitch setups on my Tundra. Neither dealer nor Jackson Center ever said I didn't have enough truck. Most travel trailers are advertised and sold as "half ton towable".
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:48 AM   #18
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Even with 16" wheels and Michelin truck tires I would still go 55-65 due to fuel economy- the faster I go the faster the fuel is burned- as bad as 7 mpg at 70 mph,as good as 12 mpg at 55 mph-
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:49 AM   #19
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Touring Dan also tows with a Tundra.
Go to a rally- you'll see half a dozen Tundras-
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PiggyB - As usual your hunch is a real and valid concern. I agree with m.hony that this is all about payload. If you keep your truck empty, and load all of your loot into the AS, you'll be near the limit of what your buggy should carry. Arguably safe and legal, but you'll be pushing your truck harder than you probably want to.

There is a thread running about real world tongue weights that suggests that the published AS tongue weights are very low. I'm guessing that if you take your desired trailer's GVWR, and multiply it by about 0.15 you'll get a pretty good estimate of what your trailer's maximum tongue weight could be when the trailer is loaded with water, propane, and gear. Of course you can influence this number somewhat by distributing your loads properly inside the trailer. Once you subtract the true tongue weight from your TVs payload you're likely going to feel the big squeeze.

The weight of the stuff we like to drag along with us really adds up quickly. I was amazed how fast I was able to accumulate 200 lbs. of just the stuff you NEED to go camping - tools, electrical cords and adapters, water hoses and fittings, stinky slinky, levelers, chocks, etc.

If you can keep the contents of your truck near empty then I would try what you've got. Have your eye out for a new tow vehicle in the meantime since it seems that you enjoy doing all of the research. If you find you really need to lug more junk in your truck's bed you can always upgrade your TV later.
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With weight distribution, doesn't half that weight get distributed to the trailer? So your 1000# tongue weight would really be 500#?


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[QUOTE=1965 mustang;1517139]With weight distribution, doesn't half that weight get distributed to the trailer? So your 1000# tongue weight would really be 500#?]

As I understand it, no. An expert will chime in soon. What the wd hitch does is distribute the weight to the front wheels while taking some off the back. You are still looking at 1000K.

Am I right? Anyone?
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:02 PM   #23
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Some, a little- not half of the weight is transferred-
Think of it this way: no weight distribution, the truck and trailer sag in the middle. The weight bars (spring bars, angle) pick it back up to somewhat level. Cat scales will show you exactly how much weight is transferred.
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:02 PM   #24
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The theory is less than a third of the tongue weight gets transferred back to the trailer axles. More typically one is lucky to see a couple of hundred pounds with a 1,000pound tongue weight.

In order for that to happen, a loft of twisting torque is applied to the hitch of the truck trying to force the front end lower by moving a part of the downward force vector forward. So the more one cranks the weight distribution hitch, the more one is applying rotational forces to both hitch socket and tow vehicle frame.

This rotational force has been known to cause issues in the tow vehicle rear end like cracked welds or hitch failure on vehicles without frames.

Our 25FB had a 1,175 pound tongue weight camping ready. That was too close to the factory maximum rating of 1,200 pounds on our Dodge 2500HD factory receiver so I cut the factory receiver off and installed a Curt 15049 receiver rated for 2,550 pounds tongue weight and capable of pulling a 17,000 pound trailer.

Before picking up the 25FB from the selling dealership, my ML320 CDI Mercedes had to go to CanAm to have the hitch reworked so it would not twist off with the weight distribution system.

Our Classic has a tongue weight over 1300 pounds, so we are not overloading the Dodge tow vehicle capability.
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200# transferred is really good.
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Switz I believe you mean Curt 15409 receiver there is no 15049 series.
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As a rule of thumb:

A WDH will leave about 75-80% of TW on the rear axle of the TV. From there, the ratio is 2:1 TV front axle versus TT axles.

The short version is that hitching the trailer will lighten the front axle. Adjust the WDH so that the front axle unhitched and hitched weight are the same or close (less than versus more than). Called FALR [Front Axle Load Restoration].


" . . Of course you can influence this number somewhat by distributing your loads properly inside the trailer".

By properly it is meant that loads need to be near the TT axles (and never to the rear of the TT). On them, or within a short distance.

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Hi, We have just gone from a 25' FC to a 30'11" FC and tow with a 2008 IForce V8 Crew Max Cab Tundra. We bought from Colonial Airstream and ordered the ProPride Hitch. Amazing......we still don't know the Airstream is back there. Tows like a dream. John
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