Toyota Tundra

[SteveSueMac]

Originally Posted by J. Morgan

A forum is a funny thing. Disagreements when they become too personal are kind of a poison, but when moderated down to civility by mandate they become stale and boring.

Disagreements are kind of good until they become toxic.

I disagree toxically! [emoji3]

Here’s an interesting view on brand loyalty...

https://lifehacker.com/brand-loyalty...ers-1731199227

Besides - everyone knows a 27FB towed by a 3/4T diesel Silverado connected via ProPride is the ONLY setup worth having - which is why those 3 elements are the only ones made by manufacturers for the purpose of camping. That’s just science right there.

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[GCinSC2]

Originally Posted by SteveSueMac

I disagree toxically! [emoji3]

Here’s an interesting view on brand loyalty...

https://lifehacker.com/brand-loyalty...ers-1731199227

Besides - everyone knows a 27FB towed by a 3/4T diesel Silverado connected via ProPride is the ONLY setup worth having - which is why those 3 elements are the only ones made by manufacturers for the purpose of camping. That’s just science right there.

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Yeah, ok but what brand of tires and what PSI!

[SteveSueMac]

Originally Posted by GCinSC2

Yeah, ok but what brand of tires and what PSI!

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Wait - are tires important here? [emoji3]

Back to the Tundra love fest - I have no personal experience with it so the next 15 paragraphs will be of great value..... [emoji3]

(Actually - a friend tows his 2017 Globetrotter 27 with it and LOVES it).

Happy camping and happy thanksgiving everyone - and to those outside the US, have a great Thursday!

[billrector]

Originally Posted by DMT

I really liked my 09 F150 Platinum. Very comfortable as a daily driver and towing. Excellent technology and a great interior. My current 15 Tundra Limited pales in comparison on the comfort and tech end. The seats are harsh, the tech is mediocre and the engine is loud.

That being said I’m still working and don’t really have the time to deal with stuff going wrong, and several things did with my Ford. So much so it soured me and I went back to the Tundra. And I have to say it’s growing on me. Kind of like an old hound dog. Dependable, reliable, turn the key and go. No more to it than that. I’ll agree with the oil change comments - not sure what they were thinking on this one, or if they thought it through at all. But in 3-1/2 years it’s all I have ever had to do. Last time at the dealer was when I drove it off the lot. I think that says a lot

As a former Tundra owner, I agree with this post. I absolutely loved my Tundra! I owned it for 50,000 miles and never did more than an oil change. It was NEVER in the shop for any repair the entire time I owned it. I then bought the Airstream (partly because I had a truck) and realized during our first trip (Utah) that it was not enough truck to adequately pull my 27’ AS with all the junk we take in the bed (primarily boondockers). We then bought a F-250 diesel. No comparison with regard to towing, but I do miss the reliability and simplicity of the Tundra. The bottom line is that there is no perfect truck that will excel at everything.

[J. Morgan]

A lot of what makes a perfect truck to me is when I turn the key and it starts, and when I am going down the road and it doesn’t stop.

That’s why I like my old Chevy, and that’s a lot why I think I would want a Toyota.

Add to this that I think Toyotas might well be the most American made truck in the market is a big reason why I’m thinking TOYOTA for my next truck.

That’s a big deal for me, I’m a red white and blue guy.

That’s a big deal for me...... I am a red white and blue man.

[GettinAway]

Amen, it’s a truck. Now if somebody started badmouthing my bird dog..
Well said J Morgan.

[KK4YZ]

That’s a big deal for me, I’m a red white and blue guy.

That’s a big deal for me...... I am a red white and blue man.

In all seriousness it’s a big deal for me, too. It took me a long time to consider a Japanese brand. My Dad fought in the Pacific theater in WWII. For a long time I would never even look at a Japanese brand. But after a few inexcusable experiences with new cars, I decided I would look for the best bang for my buck from then on. I’m not independently wealthy and do not want to make expensive mistakes.

[Lag323]

I easily tow a 2018 22FB

[pteck]

Fancy features, great power, gas efficiency, high tech elements... All awesome things until they leave you in a lurch. Or cost you a fortune to fix.

I don't mind that in a vehicle I buy and use for vanity.

I won't tolerate that for a vehicle I depend on. Possibly thousands of miles out on vacation.

[VernDiesel]

Me thinks a newer Tundra with 5.7 & 4:30 should more than adiquately tow a 27 unless as you say you really loaded that bed heavily where an HD becomes an obvious by the scaled numbers choice. First trip if you didn’t know how to adjust your loading & WDH by scale results might be the reason you thought it was inadequate as you may not knew your actual axles and tongue weight.

I’d buy another Toyota. But an American owned company means more to me than a higher percentage assembled here. Profits & control stays here. Just my thoughts.

[sbowman]

Originally Posted by pteck

Somewhat tongue and cheek...but you're right that there's no "need" for a wider torque band, to make stupendous HP. They do excellent work off the line and at pedestrian speeds which is all that is really needed. But it's also why it won't necessarily get to the top of the hill first... because they don't really have that much more hp to offset all that weight.

You don't have to take my word for it. Case study of F350 vs Tundra, each towing 7000lbs of AS.

F350 - 450hp, 8060 lb curb weight
17.91 lbs / hp unhitched, 7.6 sec 0-60
33.46 lbs / hp towing

Tundra - 381hp, 5335 lb curb weight
14.00 lbs / hp unhitched, 6.1 sec 0-60
32.38 lbs / hp towing

If you're astute, you'll note that as weight gets progressively heavier, the power to weight will skew towards the Ford, and it ultimately will be incrementally faster. Still not a bad showing for a little archaic Tundra that's much less costly in acquisition and maintenance. We're towing welterweight Airstreams after all, not bulldozers. You can do much worse than a Tundra after all, *cough* F150 diesel @ 46.5 lbs / hp towing *cough*

Happy T-day to you and your family.


"Pedestrain Speed" LOL way to funny. Moving 8800 lbs. of TV 0-60 in a little over 7 sec may not be = to your Toyota. However nothing to laugh at. Would concur 100%, there are many more TV's to consider when towing 25' and under and from what I have read they do it quite well. Presume these are the "Welterweights" you are referring to? The little Diesels would not be my choice. Maybe if we had a Base Camp, may be Diesel VW rabbit/Golf. Sorry showing my age.


Over the years I have experienced the harder/up to the limits you and a TV have to work, the shorter the life of TV. Being in the PNW not a lot of flat unless you are East Of the Cascades. The big Diesels pull the ups and downs w/little effort, good mpg, and safely is all I am saying.



I gave the dozer to the boy, so no I do not tow the dozer......I do tow the Kubota mini once in awhile....Want hear something funny, we get better mpg towing the mini (9600 mini + 4000 trailer) than when we tow our 30' classic. Go figure..........


Be well, safe travels, and best regards

[J. Morgan]

Originally Posted by sbowman

Happy T-day to you and your family.


"Pedestrain Speed" LOL way to funny. Moving 8800 lbs. of TV 0-60 in a little over 7 sec may not be = to your Toyota. However nothing to laugh at. Would concur 100%, there are many more TV's to consider when towing 25' and under and from what I have read they do it quite well. Presume these are the "Welterweights" you are referring to? The little Diesels would not be my choice. Maybe if we had a Base Camp, may be Diesel VW rabbit/Golf. Sorry showing my age.


Over the years I have experienced the harder/up to the limits you and a TV have to work, the shorter the life of TV. Being in the PNW not a lot of flat unless you are East Of the Cascades. The big Diesels pull the ups and downs w/little effort, good mpg, and safely is all I am saying.



I gave the dozer to the boy, so no I do not tow the dozer......I do tow the Kubota mini once in awhile....Want hear something funny, we get better mpg towing the mini (9600 mini + 4000 trailer) than when we tow our 30' classic. Go figure..........


Be well, safe travels, and best regards

Weight tows mostly “free” aside from a bit of additional rolling resistance, inertia that isn’t burned up in brake heat = recovered energy, but there is no recovery of energy expended for the cause of displacing air.

[jcl]

Originally Posted by sbowman

Want hear something funny, we get better mpg towing the mini (9600 mini + 4000 trailer) than when we tow our 30' classic. Go figure..........

That isn’t hard to figure at all, and illustrates clearly the folly of relying solely on trailer weights and tow vehicle ratings to judge tow vehicle capability. Just calculate frontal area for each towed vehicle. As noted above, weight isn’t a direct driver of real tow limits. It is just an easily referenced figure.

[Martee]

Here in Texas, the Toyota Tundras are a seeing a much wider acceptance within the pickup market. Lots of "Ford or nothing" owners have been slowing moving over to the extremely reliable Tundra. Parts sourcing for the San Antonio assembly plant is now 55% American and 45% Japanese. 100% Assembled in USA.

I really wanted an F250 Platinum or King Ranch very badly. But Ford dealers just will not heavily discount the pickups here in Texas. I dearly loved the F250, but could not pull the trigger on a purchase due to prices. So I bought a used Tundra Platinum in Sky Silver.

This year, I towed my FC25FB over 18,500 miles, from Maine to Florida to Texas, and thoroughly enjoyed the towing experience. I have towed skid steers, tractors, and fencing supplies for the ranch. Every time I walk past an F250, I fully admire the truck; but I am very much pleased with my Tundra.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by KK4YZ

At least the tundra doesn’t have that stupid looking animal head for a logo. Almost looks satanic ��

Yeah, I agree with you there. I’m looking for a replacement grille. And to make matters worse, they made the goat head even bigger in later years. But the Toyota actually says “TRD” on the back. That ain’t good either lol.

My truck is the last year that doesn’t have foot-high “ram” lettering on the tailgate. I dislike that also.

[KK4YZ]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

Yeah, I agree with you there. I’m looking for a replacement grille. And to make matters worse, they made the goat head even bigger in later years. But the Toyota actually says “TRD” on the back. That ain’t good either lol.

My truck is the last year that doesn’t have foot-high “ram” lettering on the tailgate. I dislike that also.

Yeah, I have the same thought when I see TRD. Mine doesn’t have that, thankfully.

[reelfastgreg]

Originally Posted by aftermath

Uh, who was the first to run down a brand in this thread? That reelfast guy felt that he had to tell everyone how a Tundra was the worst TV ever....


I am usually a mild kind of guy and I also respect everyone else's choices. What I don't like is when a poster feels that it is his duty to rip into those who do not agree with them. You see this in discussions regarding weight distributing hitches, running with your fridge on and as always, your choice of Tow Vehicles.



Read the thread and see who threw the first punch. If you like your big diesel, then more power (pun not intended) to you. Believe me, we are all happy for you. If you have a gasser and like it to be a one ton dually, again, good on ya. And on and on it goes....Can't we just be friends?

hey the question was what do you think of the Tundra as a tow vehicle?? i simply shared my opinion and experience. if you disagree that is fine with me. oh and i forgot to post all of my trucks are 4x4s so that may explain the MPG differences.

happy towing

[aftermath]

Originally Posted by stujan

Who tows with the Toyota Tundra 5.7? What size AS do you tow? Would you recommend the truck?

Here is the original question. You took a little liberty with it so you could air your grievances.

[sbowman]

Originally Posted by jcl

That isn’t hard to figure at all, and illustrates clearly the folly of relying solely on trailer weights and tow vehicle ratings to judge tow vehicle capability. Just calculate frontal area for each towed vehicle. As noted above, weight isn’t a direct driver of real tow limits. It is just an easily referenced figure.

Apologize up front, understand, trolling/snarky go figure comment statement.


Best regards and safe travels

[sbowman]

Originally Posted by KK4YZ

At least the tundra doesn’t have that stupid looking animal head for a logo. Almost looks satanic 😱

Agree, not a fan of the RAM head. I thought about putting duct tape over the RAM head(s), however the wife said no. Glad ours is a 2016. No RAM across the tail gate, uck! We bought the RAM for the Cummins, have to live w/the RAM head. Thinking about changing the grill out. Not sure about the steering wheel, MOMO maybe? Airbag is problem. Maybe I can pull it off?



At least w/the Toyota you can take a heat gun to the decal, I will give you bonus points for that...........


Best regards and safe travels