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Old 04-24-2008, 09:46 AM   #1
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Toyota 4Runner TV ?

Have recieve much valuable advice from learned folk on this site, thanks to you all. At this time I would like to hear from some with similar TV experince.
My current TV is 03 4Runner 4x4 4L V6, Limited, Trailer Towing Package, AC, AT, 640 lbs tongue rate, CGVWR 11000 lbs. gross trailer weight 6400 lbs cap. and will be mounting HAHA with new Airstream.
My current tailer is a Starcraft RT 10 pop-up, when loaded weights 2500 to 3000 lbs, and using just the weight carring hitch. My driving style when towing has been 55-60 but have been known to exceed the limit a time or two, the little trailer is like it not even there. I tend to stay off Interstate when possible, been over lots of Colorado passes on and off road with trailer, Engineer, Cottonwood, Independance, Rabbit Ears, Monarch, just to name a few.
It is time for a change and a lot more class, so Airstream is the answer. I am considering a 25 Safari SE FB. Spec out at under 5900 lbs with freshwater and propane and equipt as I want.
Yes I am pushing it a bit but would like to hear from others who may be doing the same or have done the same.
Oh yea, I will probable keep the RT for places that the AS won't go.
Thanks again for all your help and advice.
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Scotty---Welcome to the forums and you already know the vast resources available here. People with your Toyota will chime in soon. As you already know, people use a wide range of tow vehicles to pull a given trailer. It comes down to how much degraduation in the towing experience will you tolerate? Compared to the 25ft Safari, the 4Runner is underweight, under wheelbased and under powered. These are the three elements that dominate in the towing satisifaction category.

If the budget allows, buy more truck. If not, buy a bambi of 16-19 ft. Good luck in your AS adventure.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:37 AM   #3
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hi scotty...

hey u found the gcwr, good job!

now what's the runner weigh once fully equipped to tow?

i won't repeat what in this post...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/553150-post10.html

as u might have determined, i like the haha...but u realize its 3 grand $$$?

by the time u are ready to purchase, there may be a slightly less expensive option with the SAME design features....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ach-37994.html

either hitch will improve the wheelbase issue and stability side of towing...

but neither hitch increases towing capacity or payload limits or the toyota brakes or cooler or tranny....

a haha weighs ~250lbs combine that with the tongue weight of 750-800 lbs...

and that 1000lbs+ of payload, without gear, people or other basics IN the runner....

can u tow that way, sure; others do. maybe the canadians will log in soon and report how wonderful towing over capacity is...

here is a thread on your current tv...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f198...cle-16518.html

and others with some of the folks using similar rigs...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ner-29495.html

so u might pm some who may not see your threads...

and there are a fair number of same era tundra users (or former users) here...

search with the key term 4runner or tundra and LIMIT the search to just the tow vehicle section...

there are only about 30 threads to sort and read.

also there are MANY active forums/boards/websites for toy' enthusiasts,

and LOTS of 'can do' reports of towing abilities on those enthusiasts' forums...

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Hi Scotty,
The specs I find on that yr/model 4Runner show 5000 lb. max towing capacity. And the specs I find for the Safari SE FB 25' show UBW (Unit Base Weight), w/o Options or Fluids = 5210 lbs. You'd be 210 lbs. overweight before filling the water or propane tanks or adding the battery(s) or adding even a spoon in the way of gear. This isn't a good tv/trailer combination. The 19' Safari SE might be a good option (UBW [Unit Base Weight], w/o Options or Fluids = 3680 lbs) for that tow vehicle.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:08 PM   #5
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Thanks Walt, my manual states 6400 lbs as does the Toyota factory rep I spoke to. I am still wanting to speak to owners with h/o experience before I change my game plan
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Thanks Bob, I appreciate your input.
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2air you continue to be a wealth of info and I appreciate it. I will follow those link and see where the lead me.
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Thanks Walt, my manual states 6400 lbs as does the Toyota factory rep I spoke to. I am still wanting to speak to owners with h/o experience before I change my game plan
Hi, Scotty. This is a Google search result (I hope) that shows the 5000#tow capacity. It's pretty unanimous about the tow capacity:2003 toyota 4runner towing capacity - Google Search
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Toyota book and factory rep must be out of date and need to be replaced. Oh see the problem the are not taking into consideration the factory installed tow package and 4X4. 2x4 has 5300 and w/ towing package 6700. Toyota Pub No. OM35804U 03 4Runner Owners Manual. As usual CR just never get all the facts. I do appreciate your input
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yeah that is the same info i found except on the runner forums where 6-7k is often listed.

and another sources is the trailer life ratings...

which detail virtually every vehicle for many years back...

here is 2003...

http://www.trailerlife.com/downloads/03towingguide.pdf

again 5k for the runner, but ~7000k for the largest tundra that year, which may contribute to the confusion...

i'm sure there are folks using that vehicle maybe they will chime in soon...

i saw a forrunner pulling a 31ft late 70s a/s this january (pretty close in mass to a new 25) ...

actually they were parked in a rest area in alabama...

the runner was way low in the rear, and headlights in the sky.

i waited a bit hoping they'd pull on to the hiway, so i could video tape the action....

but they were sleeping in the tv...

which may have been the safety towing speed.

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...installed tow package and 4X4....
what IS the factory tow package? this is often a tranny cooler and receiver and wiring only.

4x4 often REDUCES towing capacity by 2-400 lbs, because it is ADDED weight...
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My Safari comes in at 6800lbs. loaded and ready to travel with full everything. We don't carry a lot of stuff in the trailer as we use the T/V, ( an 06 Expedition) for tools, air compressor, etc. I really doubt you will be able to stay under 6000 lbs. when you load up.

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It is my understanding that it include a HD torque converter and fan. Just what was told by Toyota. Yes the 2x4 w/towing is 6700lbs. I will follow the links.
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Thanks John, I am taking note and considering different TV in neccessary.
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It is my understanding that it include a HD torque converter and fan. ...
ok, good info

the closest i've come to owning a 'yota was an 84 datsun sport truck...

part of the confusion may be that until 03 OR 04 the tacoma chassis was the under a runner...

for the next/current generation (which began either in 03 or 04) the land cruiser/prado/tundra chassis was used.

with more beef came better specs.

toyota may have been la-LATE getting the details out on the 4th generation specs...

so we all may be quoting 02 stuff for 03 when really the 04 info applies to 03 ????

Toyota 4Runner

Toyota Land Cruiser

IF you go to the trailer life ratings and search the 04 specs (which may apply to 03 ) the numbers u suggest are seen.

http://www.trailerlife.com/images/el...wing_Guide.pdf

so with 03/04 as a significant model upgrade year, you need to keep digging for details.

joining one of the runner forums and gathering their towing wisdom, might be useful too...

Toyota 4Runner Enthusiasts Forums

keep digging and as relentless suggests 25s weigh more than u might expect...

you are scanning the MANY threads on 25ft safaris right?

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