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Old 02-10-2006, 05:45 PM   #15
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A 2005 F150 crewcab with 5.4 liter, automatic transmission, 4X4, 3.73 axle ratio... the tow rating is 9,200 lbs.

A 2005 F250 crewcab with 5.4 liter, automatic transmission, 4X4, 3.73 axle ratio... the tow rating is 9,100 lbs. The F250 can go much higher, but you must go to 4.10 gears to get 11,100 lbs, or move up to a V10 or diesel to go beyond this.

The F150 with 300 hp will do just fine for a 25 foot trailer!
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Old 02-10-2006, 05:52 PM   #16
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A 2005 F150 crewcab with 5.4 liter, automatic transmission, 4X4, 3.73 axle ratio... the tow rating is 9,200 lbs.

A 2005 F250 crewcab with 5.4 liter, automatic transmission, 4X4, 3.73 axle ratio... the tow rating is 9,100 lbs. The F250 can go much higher, but you must go to 4.10 gears to get 11,100 lbs, or move up to a V10 or diesel to go beyond this.

The F150 with 300 hp will do just fine for a 25 foot trailer!
Not sure about Fords, but in GM land typically going from 1500 to 2500 (150 vs 250) gets you an upgraded trans, rear diff and brakes too.
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Old 02-10-2006, 07:32 PM   #17
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Towed our 24ft Argosy with our 2000 F-150, 5.4l Triton V8 with no problems at all. I must say that my husband does not believe in going slower just because you're pulling a trailer (I do not agree). However, we have had no trouble and this Ford has over 200k miles on it. I bought a new Tundra V8 with the towing package and I pull at about 60MPH, out of overdrive, and I love this truck. I'm not, however, sure it pulls any better than the Ford, but it's a step-side and a great looking truck.
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Unhappy Tow Capacity brouhaha-ha-ha-ha

Pardon me if I use current website numbers -- I no longer own the vehicle nor have its manual. Until January 31st, I owned a 2004 Nissan Titan LE King Cab 4x4 with a "Tow Capacity" of 9200#. Sounds awesome. I must admit that the engine had all the brawn and combined with that low-geared 5 speed I could have pulled the Titanic to shore. I bought the Titan for my sub-4000# Argosy and it worked admirably. For 2000 miles of pulling my 5500# of Safari last fall it felt "like it wasn't back there." I believe you could literally say the same about a similar engined F-150.

Let's create an example of me pulling the Titan's full 9200# tow capacity load. This is a fictitious trailer and for example's sake I am not speaking about my current Safari. This 9200# represents the final weight of trailer and optional load. A significant amount of that optional load is full propane cylinders, weight distributing gear and a spare tire at the tongue -- thus I will presume tongue weight is not on the light side of the normal 10-15% range. I will charitably presume 1150# of hitch weight with my presumed 9200# load.

What else adds or subtracts to the permitted pounds I could carry on my Titan (per manufacturer's specs)? The 4x4 package and hitch receiver were features of my trim line and already figured into limitations on my load capacity (the XE & SE trim lines don't have a hitch receiver!). Like buying pants, I didn't buy the Titan with the idea of losing a little weight. So honestly, the two people and two dogs aboard are about 400# (she's a large 70# airedale). Do I get a truck cap if it's filled with helium? (200#). My canoe is a kevlar Wenonah and weighs 42#. My Honda eu2000i generator is 46#. Adding up, the above load (in red) is TOTAL: 1838#. I am leaving out many things I carry aboard even if out for a short weekend. No paddles, no Yakima rack for the trailer -- this is conservative for illustration's sake.

At www.nissanusa.com it lists the Load Capacity for the truck I owned at 1259#. So which do you like better -- the fact that I am within specs on towing at the 9200# Tow capacity or the fact that I am overloading the structure, suspension and maneuverability by about 600 pounds?!?!?!

If I looked at my true use patterns I believe I would have to be very careful with all but the highest Load Capacity F-150 and a new Airstream 25' (current models being heavier than 10-20 years ago). More than half of the F-150s on the http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/features/specs/ would be over T.V. Load Capacity with a new 25' 'Stream and modest loads in the tow vehicle.

I will say it again and I will say it better this time. If we were to send somebody out to pay hard cash to purchase a new F-150 and leave it at that, they would have a better than two in three chance of coming back with a truck unsuited to the task -- if that task is loading up like most of us do when we hit the road. I can't hide behind Eddie Arcaro when he turns sideways so I'd better do the numbers if I want space for me on board!

My advice? Consider tow capacity and GCWR to be secondary numbers. Tow capacity especially has more to do with the advertising department than everyday use! If you keep the T.V. within its onboard load capacity I will nearly guarantee that you will never come near the hoo-haa'd tow capacity. Have an accident at "over load capacity" and imagine what notice your insurance company would make of that -- BTW, I hope you and your family ride in the best of health in all eventualities.
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Canoe stream You new that I would respond on this one, just want to know whitch F150 pakage are you compairing to. Because when I went to check out your Nissan Titan I can not find any specs on there site the only thing I could find was that it could tow UP TO 9500 POUNDS.. You also had a manual trans and what gear ratio did you have, I mean lets be practical about this. The Ford F150 with auto trans and 3.73 gears and pending on wheel size has a tow rateing form 9100, 9200,9400. Then if you have 4.11 gears its 9500, oh and then there's inch wheel base to take into account. All I'm saying is lets keep it practical anybody can throw numbers together, your senareo is'nt even practical, and please do not take this the wrong way, I like a good debate now and then..
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Bob is a convert....he's done with his Nissan and towing with one too....he's a 2006 Duramax man now.

Personally in most cases (not all), I'd take the 5.4L F150 (loathing Fords as I do) over a Nissan every day of the week and 2x on sunday for anything over 19' long....and not because it's a foreign vs domestic thing either...as you pointed out, the Nissan site and offering, though a nice truck, to get to 9000+lbs, it's mostly smoke and mirrors.
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Silvertwinkie thats good to hear I am not a chev man but I would take one before a nissan, they do'nt even compare in frame strength they just do'nt campare pereiod..
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:05 AM   #22
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Silvertwinkie thats good to hear I am not a chev man but I would take one before a nissan, they do'nt even compare in frame strength they just do'nt campare pereiod..
Don't get me wrong, I am sure Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Land Rover, etc are great cars, SUVs and trucks, but I happen to agree, until they come out with a REAL 3/4 ton....... For nearly a year or so, I've asked the question what does the truck get to get bumped up from the base 6500lbs to the max 9400lbs and the website only says this:

Tow Package (SE and LE Only)
• Class IV receiver hitch
• Additional 7-pin wiring harness plug
• Trailer brake controller pre-wiring under instrument panel
• Heavy-duty battery (710 CCA)
• Lower final gear ratio (3.36:1); similar to 4.10:1 on a 4-speed automatic
• Extendable tow mirrors
• Transmission temperature gauge
• Increased tow capacity

Not a whole lot to support that claim and although the lower final gear ratio is similar to 4.10s, they aren't 4.10s, nor is the rear diff. The rear diff is 1/2 ton. So in reality you have a 1/2 ton truck trying to do put up 3/4 ton specs (as I am sure Bob will tell you from his exp towing a Safari SE FB- his words, not mine). Not saying GM and Ford are the end all save all for towing (they both have their inner demons too), but there is a reason the big three own the 3/4 ton and 1 ton market. I will for sure cringe when Nissan, Toyota and Honda really market a real 3/4 ton. May give the domestics a run for the money....won't be today though....
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Silvertwinkie!
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Old 02-12-2006, 09:45 AM   #24
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A 2004-2006 Ford F150 Supercrew 4X4 with 5.4 V8 has a net carrying capacity of 1,630. My 2003 Safari 25SS has a gross weight of 6,300, at 14% the hitch weight is about 882. This leaves 750 lbs for the truck passengers and stuff. I can't bring my anvil collection.

Yes, an F250/350 would provide more capacity. But, per Andy of Inland RV, stiff rear springs pound the trailer.
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Ahhh Dan! You're thinkin' right!!

The Titan example was only my personal application of doing the numbers. Not all F-150s are created equal. I don't know Dodge products very well. I know to look at the 1500HD for higher capacities for Chev/GM 1/2-ton trucks. Barkingspider has pointed out the higher capacity Tundra -- full Club Cab I believe...

Doing your math homework still matters .... !
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I can't bring my anvil collection.
!!LOL!!

I guess I can't also bring all those 40lb bags of concrete to pour a slab for a campsite too.
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All I can say is wow. I didnít realize that we had a physics professor with us. Bob, I was well within my towing capacity. It looks like I had a very similar truck as Jim (the guy that started the thread). He wanted to know how the F150 towed. It just so happened that I towed several miles with a 2004 F150 (the same as Jim Ė the guy that started the thread). My truck did better then fine, better then I needed and well within safety standards/concerns. My trailer was loaded with spare tires and all that fun stuff. It doesnít look like you towed with an F150 but a Nissan so I am not sure how you really fit in. I do appreciate your scientific input and ensure you this will be my last post on this site. I am just your average ordinary guy that owns an Airstream and happens to be a full-timer with my wife for over a year now.

The bottom line is, I am sure Jimís (the guy that started the thread) F150, with the towing package, will do just fine. GL to you all.
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Thanks everyone!

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... It looks like I had a very similar truck as Jim (the guy that started the thread). He wanted to know how the F150 towed. It just so happened that I towed several miles with a 2004 F150 (the same as Jim Ė the guy that started the thread). My truck did better then fine, better then I needed and well within safety standards/concerns. My trailer was loaded with spare tires and all that fun stuff. ...The bottom line is, I am sure Jimís (the guy that started the thread) F150, with the towing package, will do just fine. GL to you all.
I guess sbrou14 says it all. I knew I would hear a lot of different view points, but I wanted to hear the experiences of those who have actually towed a similar trailer with an F-150. And... I do appreciate all of the viewpoints. That's how we all benefit from this forum.

It looks like I'll be fine. There are only two of us camping (total weight less than 375 lbs) no canoes, no jet skis, no dirt bikes and no snowmobiles. Just the basics. I have the right axel ratio, a 5.4L V8 and a decent tow package. As long as I take it easy on the road I should nave no problems.

By all means - if anyone else has any more comments, please add them.

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