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Old 04-09-2008, 03:09 PM   #15
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Please reconsider.Using no WD gear will put anybody without a dually well into the territory of exceeding the rear axle GAWR. Nobody would recommend this ever -- it's just not safe. Your GAWR ratings are on the drivers door edge or door post as mandated by the govt. The manual should give empty rear axle loading (or else Edmunds or kbb would have that). The difference between rear axle empty weight & rear GAWR is the maximum permissible payload placed on the rear axle -- distribute the passenger weight; anything in the box?; but put all the hitch weight onto the rear axle when doing a quick-and-dirty calculation.

No antisway? A 16' Airstream is more than heavy enough to become the "driver" when control is compromised in wet conditions or emergency braking or avoidance maneuvers. Anesthesiology or flying have the same saying -- 99% boredom and 1% sheer panic. Don't give sheer panic an extra few percentage points.
The GAWR on the Ridgeline is 3245#. Honda recommends that no WDH be used. The vehicle was designed to safely tow up to 5000# with up to 500# on the ball. We had to make a hard braking event when a deer jumped unto the gravel road we were on. Doing about 35mph, we did not go side ways but stopped nicely a few feet in front of the deer at which time she ambled off. We have not experienced sway when encountering the Santa Anna winds gusting to 40mph or being passed by the big double rigs. Extra help is needed when the TT's weight exceeds the TV, length, improper loading, or TV built in instability.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:17 PM   #16
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i REALLY appreciate when owners post EXACTLY how they tow. describing WHAT is used or isn't in clear terms.

that sort of info is the raw-est stuff available to anyone considering a similar tv or trailer or combo.

BUT unless you've weighed the axles how can you know it 'simply isn't needed' ?

ball/hitch/receiver loads REDUCE front axle weights. HOW MUCH is only determined by higher math or visiting a scale.

this could be an issue with ANY tow vehicle, but seems even MORE IMPORTANT with a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE towing combo.

given the front axle is PRIMARY and propels, steers, and brakes the rig/combo.

read about the MEASURED load/UNLOAD changes here, in post #1, #26 and #27 and #63 for the after w/d figures.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...-ii-21000.html

and if ne1 wants to see the honda receiver, i've linked images in post #36 above...

i appreciate your attention to keeping the tongue mass down to 400 lbs which would reduce this effect but...

it that 400 measured or guessed?

it also pokes at the issue of tongue weight as a % of total...

again your honesty is appreciated, right or wrong as an example to others.

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All measured. Tongue weight varies between 385# and 418# dependent on TT loading. Loaded TT varies between 3890 and 4060#.
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All measured. Tongue weight varies between 385# and 418# dependent on TT loading. Loaded TT varies between 3890 and 4060#.
good stuff, thanks for posting!

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Old 04-09-2008, 04:14 PM   #18
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According to the 2007 Ridgeline owners manual the GAWR on rear axle is 3245 Lbs. The max allowable weight of fully loaded veh and trailer is 10,088 lbs which must be reduced 2% for every 1,000 feeet of elevation.
Towing weight guidelines:

occupants * Max trailer weight max tongue load**
2 5000lbs 600lbs

3 4750lbs 600lbs

4 4750lbs 570lbs

5 4500lbs 516lbs

*The corresponding weight limits assume occupants fill seats from front of the veh to the back,each occupant weighs 150 lbs and each has 15 lbs of cargo in cab,bed or bed trunk. Any additional weight, including cargo or accessories, reduces the max trailer weight and max tongue load.

** Recommended tongue load should be 5-15 % of total trailer weight for boat trailers, and 10-15 % of the total trailer weight for all other trailers.

May advise using a trailer brake set up to help with stopping and do not tow in overdrive.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:19 PM   #19
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We appreciate everyones advice and input. Unfortunately we are more confused than ever. Trying to calculate max tongue weight and max trailer weight for 2, 3, or 4 occupants and reducing it by 2% per 1,000 feet of altitude along with figuring GAWR on the rear axles and total gross towing weight is too much for us. It is also not our idea of going on a vacation. From our perspective it makes sense to error on the side of caution and just get the 19 Bambi.

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Old 04-09-2008, 04:29 PM   #20
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Suggest you try to take the 23' for a test drive. See how it feels. Bet it works out just fine.
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Here's a link to something 2air showed us about sway control:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...rol-17986.html
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:48 PM   #22
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I haven't towed a Bambi, but I have towed a 20' Argosy, and several tandem axel Airstream products, and IMHO a single axle trailer needs sway control MORE SO than a tandem.
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:37 PM   #23
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I have been considering the ridgeline for awhile now. I need a new(er) car that will get good gas mileage, but would also like something that can tow.
My wife and i have considered the ridgeline, xterra, etc etc.
But after reading this post, i am more confused then ever.
I guess i am simple minded. Currently i tow with a 59 cadi, if that can handle it, why not the ridgeline??
I do use the weight distribution bars and that definitely helps. But you guys are saying the trailer (24' in my case) is too heavy for the ridgeline?
Any advice on a tow vehicle that will get good gas mileage????????????
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:46 PM   #24
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I tow a 24ft Argosy with the Tundra 4.7L V8. Wouldn't take it to the mountains and would never tow again without the WD hitch and sway bar, but the truck does a fine job here in Oklahoma. I think the Ridgeline has a lower rating than the Tundra and I thought it wasn't worth the risk. I don't think Ridgelines are made for towing, but they are a good looking truck.
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Old 05-06-2008, 05:03 PM   #25
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I've been towing my 2003 22 ft. CCD for two years now and it's been fantastic, stable, smooth, comfortable, between 12-14 while towing and 19-21 when not towing. I use a WDH and sway control with no problems. Use 91 octane while towing and 87 when not. It's one of the best vehicles I've ever owned.

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I've been towing my 2003 22 ft. CCD for two years now and it's been fantastic, stable, smooth, comfortable, between 12-14 while towing and 19-21 when not towing. I use a WDH and sway control with no problems. Use 91 octane while towing and 87 when not. It's one of the best vehicles I've ever owned.

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I get slightly better with my little Chevy, 15 towing, 21-22 unloaded.

I'll be the first to admit though, it would not make a great Socal commuter "car".


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I've been towing my 2003 22 ft. CCD for two years now and it's been fantastic, stable, smooth, comfortable, between 12-14 while towing and 19-21 when not towing. I use a WDH and sway control with no problems. Use 91 octane while towing and 87 when not. It's one of the best vehicles I've ever owned.

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you have convinced me that it will be fine!!!!!
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