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Old 09-10-2006, 10:21 PM   #15
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The Hensley itself is how much additional weight up on the A-frame? 200# I hear, but I don't know that for certain.
if you don't know for certain why keep retyping the same misinformation?

a haha weights about 75-100lbs more than other w/d antisway hitches...

and NO w/d hitch adds ANY weight to the trailer tongue...except when unhitched...

as the w/d bars are tightened hitch weight is carried by the tv NOT the trailer...
in fact properly adjusted w/d bars put torque into the 'a' frame...which has nothing to do with hitch weight.

the first time this is explained it may take awhile to sink...but come on now..this has been posted before...right?
why keep repeating incorrect info and linking to threads without much help?

in addition trailer brakes can and do help stop the tow vehicle...and tv brakes sometimes help stop the trailer...
ideally each mass stops under it's own braking force...but activate the brake controller some time...and report back if your truck stops...

there is an article on stopping distances from 05 and the ford with towcommand and a trailer connected,
stopped in a shorter distance than the truck alone...huh?

newbie2006...

i am in no way promoting the bronco...don't have one, never driven one.

you asked about ways to make it safe...my word would be 'safer'....

i do think there are ways to make it safer...i've listed a few...

but short wheel bases and high centers of gravity
are not choices i make towing or driving anything....
well maybe while riding a horse or bicycle.

the folks to ask about towing with a bronco are current or previous owners...

and i suspect most doing so on this forum have tuned out from being beat up about it.

have you looked for a bronco forum?
yahoo has a bronco forum; suspect there are others.
honest bronco uses can give the best reports on towing issues...
a couple of folks have done that here...

also, if you spend much time reading here about hitches...
the ONLY people who suggest the hensley
is overkill, is heavy, is expensive and isn't needed for short trailers...
are folks who have never used one...

a haha would make towing with the bronco a calmer experience...

don/nor cal bambi has given wise advise on how to effectively use whatever tow rig is at hand...
go slow, allow space ahead, stay in the slower lanes, understand the limits of the tool and enjoy the trip.

if you ever did opt for a different tv or trailer the haha will work nicely then too...and the resale value is high and they sell quickly...

you started this thread reporting your own experience so far...that being the 'bronco seemed fine'...now we learn it has a new drivetrain...

how often will you be towing? how far? how fast do you like to drive? what do you plan to bring along? is this airstream your last?

these might be some of the issues that play into which tow vehicle...

sometimes personal experience with a tool IS a more informed view than 'experts' with no experience using that tool.

there are folks here towing with nissans, rovers, veedubs, vans, vintage cars and so on....most are doing so safely.

i'm all for safety, yours and mine.
bad info or misinfo is just as unsafe as a short wheelbase, and harder to fix.

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Old 09-13-2006, 08:43 PM   #16
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Thinking of trading the Bronco for this, what do you think???
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Old 09-13-2006, 09:32 PM   #17
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Newbie, I agree with your concern... My only thought is that the burb will be a great TV regardless of the 1/2 v. 3/4 ton! The frame isn't as much of a concern as the wheel base. The engine/rear-end combo will certainly help determine just how much Power you feel. In reality, the most significant issue is managing your expectations for speed, acceleration, ability to hold speeds on hills, and stopping. These wonderful trailers are really built! With that comes the inevitable weight. They are so cool, but you have to remember you're pulling real weight. The wheel base of these larger TVs sure makes pulling a breeze. Still have to remain cognizant of your pulling weights.

Lots of really smart guys on this site... I am continually amazed at the combined knowledge... Sure is great to hearyou guys chime in with a ton of experience... I just know I like to take it easy on the TV! I am just plain too cheap to abuse my vehicles by over-taxing them with driving like I have nothing behind me when I actually have the equivalant of another vehicle being powered by my TV. If you're going to ask your TV to do the work of two engines, at least treat it with a dose of kindness... you'll be rewarded with lots of miles of trouble free driving...
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:54 PM   #18
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Hi newbie2006--From a Bronco to a crew cab dually, is going from one extreme to the other. The dually will be a great TV, but a lot more than you need to pull a 1972 27' Overlander. My 1973 weighs 6200# loaded, on the axles. If you are going to use this new vehicle for something other than towing your A/S, and most of your driving will be other than towing you might want to consider something a little smaller that will have better fuel economy, ride, and you will be able to park in a garage, and a normal parking space. Most things in life are a compromise.--Frank S
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:16 PM   #19
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That will work

Nice looking Crew Cab Dually...yes it is overkill...but...what the hey. One thing for sure, you can pull your AS and still load the back of the truck with toys.

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THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE INFO ON SHORT WHEELBASES. Now I understand why my reg. cab/shortie is struggling to pull my 28' Excella for any distances in some traffic.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:24 AM   #21
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We just bought a 25' Tradewind, and we were ver unsure as to what tow vehicle to purchase, and we were on very limited funds. Broncos seemed like the ideal vehicle, untill we posted photos and our questions on the forum, needless to say we ended up getting an 86 suburban 1500, for 3,000 and with only 47k miles. we are very happy and I feel comfortable driving it, and wouldnt trade it in for anythihng at this point. It's that whole wheel base thing, we wrote out a list of the cars that would work for us, on our tight budget, and the list was pretty small.. the suburban just seemed like the best option. a ford truck is another route.
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This may be too much tow vehicle. Suspensions stiffen to the point of overstressing your Airstream frame and construction as you go from 1/2-ton to 3/4-ton to 1-ton. One recent post even pointed out how much gentler the 3/4-ton Suburbans ride compared to 3/4-ton pickups. I'd think 1/2 ton 'burb would suit you just fine for this lighter vintage of Airstream. Newer Airstreams in this length weigh almost 1000# more and nearly require 3/4-ton! You are looking in the right direction!
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Old 10-04-2006, 01:43 AM   #23
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Here is what we ended up getting, it is not brand new but it is nice!!!
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Old 10-04-2006, 06:09 AM   #24
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TV Wheelbase VS. Trailer Length

I've often read the discussions about tow vehicle wheelbase length versus length/weight of the trailer being pulled and this leads me to want to see the decisive figures on some sort of chart or graph that would help me determine the best match to my tow vehicle.

The manufacturer's info on my particular vehicle, a shortbed Dodge Ram 1500 pickup with Hemi engine, actually has the towing capacity of my 120" wheelbase at 200 lbs. greater than the 20" longer 8' bed. Based on this information no red flags are raised for me when I think of towing a longer/heavier trailer than my 22 footers.

I guess my questions would be these:

How short is "short"? Is my 120" wheelbase a good match to a 22' trailer?

Can I even think of towing a longer trailer?


At what point in terms of combined length and weight would I be crossing the line of safe driving while pulling with the truck I drive? It would be helpful to view these kind of figures on some sort of chart of graph. Is there such a thing?
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Hi newbie2006--Wow, what a beautiful Suburban. We towed our A/S with both an '84 and '89 Suburban and both worked great. I think the 27' Overlander is the perfect size. Small enough to tow with a 1/2 ton, and large enough to spend some extended time in. Our longest stay was 7-months, and we are still married. Best of luck with your Overlander and Suburban--I know you will enjoy them.--Frank S
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The manufacturer's info on my particular vehicle, a shortbed Dodge Ram 1500 pickup with Hemi engine, actually has the towing capacity of my 120" wheelbase at 200 lbs. greater than the 20" longer 8' bed. Based on this information no red flags are raised for me when I think of towing a longer/heavier trailer than my 22 footers.
As you note, there's more to "capacity" than GVWR. The length of the trailer, axle position, center of gravity, windage, dual vs single axle, hitch set-up, etc. make it impossible to set hard and fast limits. And on the TV side you've got rear overhang, vehicle weight, suspension, gearing, brakes that all make a difference. Our GMC Safari has 111" wheelbase and does OK with the 24' Argosy but I certainly wouldn't call it ideal or want to go any bigger. We have to be very careful on how we pack, when and where we go and how you drive.

My hunch is you'd be OK with a slightly longer trailer. Personally I'd rather tow a 24' tandem axle than a 22' single but that's just me. I think a lot has to do with your comfort level. It's series of trade offs. Are you willing to drive a little slower with a bigger trailer? Are you willing to pack less gear to compensate for the added weight?

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As you note, there's more to "capacity" than GVWR. The length of the trailer, axle position, center of gravity, windage, dual vs single axle, hitch set-up, etc. make it impossible to set hard and fast limits. And on the TV side you've got rear overhang, vehicle weight, suspension, gearing, brakes that all make a difference. -Bernie
For sure!, but so many details to think about...lol

Most folks like to keep it simple and focusing on one item like wheelbase makes them happy.
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It can be done... Barely..

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Just wanted to be another voice of experience. We towed our prior trailer (24' Nomad..) over 15,000 miles, including round trip from San francisco to Bar Harbor Maine and back, with a 1985 Ford Bronco with the 351 V8... Fortunately, the dealer wouldn't sell us the trailer without good Draw Tite Weight distributing hitch and anti-sway bar system... We managed to tow it without incident for 5 years. Even with those, I learned to resist temptation to pass triple trailer trucks on Interstates in windy conditions at speeds over 65 mph...

There are actually some advantages: Easier to turn around or maneuver in tight spaces, lots of power, and the Bronco frame is pretty tough... The cautions, as others have noted, are that panic stops and sway control are really important... We were vigilant about tire pressures (trailer and Bronco..) and sway bar tension, and I practiced reaction times for hand control of trailer brakes. We made sure weight in trailer was properly balanced (correct tongue weights) and also had Bronco steering gear and alignment maintained to avoid bonus looseness in Bronco steering...

In conclusion, we decided in 1994 to upgrade and bought Suburban K1500 (4WD - 1/2 ton - 5.7L V8). The suburban had less leftover horsepower for towing (same rating and more empty weight than Bronco) but lots of stability... For an older 27, you may find a mid-90's Suburban rated at 7200# of towing capacity or more, and not have to spend more than $5 or 6K...

Good luck...

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