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Old 09-25-2015, 01:28 PM   #1
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Towing w/ VW TDI post emissions scandal

Unless I missed a thread, there seems to be stunned silence here over the VW scandal.

The news has been saturated lately with the VW TDI diesel emissions cheat. Some of us, like me, are using one of these (Jetta, Passat, Golf....) as a TV. For me the Jetta TDI was perfect for my 20' AS, and yes, it was set up by CanAm.

If there isn't already, it seems there ought to be a discussion on what the affected are going to do as this unfolds: TV plans, alternatives, reactions to any future VW conpensation offers for a start, or maybe just to commiserate.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:39 PM   #2
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Buy one quick before they abandon the defeater.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:41 PM   #3
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I have a 2011 Golf TDi. Mine clearly falls right in the middle of the "scandle." I do not tow with it, but I have been following the thread on the tdiclub forum. There is a ton of commiserating going on there. I'm very curious how all of this is going to shake out. Even though my car has 162K miles on it, I was planning on keeping it for a long time. I'm a bit nervous what their "fix" will do to the long term reliability of the car. The fix could steal power and fuel economy as well. That could be problematic if you use it for towing.
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Funny, but it raises the point. If they remove the defeat, will the vehicle have enough torque, hp and mileage to do the job.
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Sorry this is happening... Heads are rolling, but that won't fix the problem. To me, those "involved" should clean up their mess. After all, they know where the skeletons are.

Rumor has it, VW is buying back all affected TDIs. Probably after deducting for mileage. They can sell them to China... After all, they breathe different air there than we do!!!

Hope it settles out, I hate to see the "working folks"'on the line who "followed orders" be impacted while the "management" gets fatter.
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Funny, but it raises the point. If they remove the defeat, will the vehicle have enough torque, hp and mileage to do the job.
Largest likely impact will be on fuel efficiency.

The question becomes, does the new (clean) fuel efficiency meet the claimed figures, just not the real world numbers owners were getting while polluting? Or does it fail to meet those claims?

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Rumor has it, VW is buying back all affected TDIs.
All 11 million of them?
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Tnanks for the thought, CWF.

Buyback, perhaps. It may take some time for VW to figure out how to get out of the mess with minimum damage.
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Right now we're sitting in a VW showroom awaiting what they'll give us in trade for our 2012 TDI. We tow with an Xterra but as LONGtime/multi-model VW owners trading to a gas version before no trades are taken, as is now the policy of the Temple, TX dealer we bought it from, is what we consider our best option.
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I'm not too worried if a software reflash steals a few miles per gallon. The car does so well that I probably wouldn't even notice that. Now, if it takes over a 5mpg hit I would be ticked. My big concern is the fix will cause excessive heat and soot in the engine and emission components and kill the life span of my car. Mine has 162,000 miles, but looks as clean as a new one on the lot. I doubt I would take their offer if they tried to buy if from me at some crazy low price.
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I'm still trying to understand the idiot in VW who thought they could do this emission "defeat device" AND get away with it.

I was always curious as to why the 2.0 Liter TDI's did not have DEF tanks, but figured because of the smaller displacement, maybe they do not produce as much emissions as the 3.0 liter engines.

This is very bad for the future of diesel vehicles in North America.
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I believe it was only 2009 to 2012 that did not use DEF. Somewhere around 2013 or so they added it, but it seems they still had they defeat software loaded in the ECU's and used very little DEF from what I have been told. I know my 2011 does not use DEF.
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SCR (DEF) was added for 2012, but only on the Passat.

That one failed too.
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