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Old 09-27-2015, 12:35 PM   #71
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Please attempt to forgive me for this post:

Having had to put up with several holier-than-thou TDI owners over the last few years, attacking me for the gas guzzler that I drive, I cannot, despite my very best efforts, resist a certain feeling of Schadenfreude at this recent débacle.

I am sure that this feeling will pass, and that I will then be able to have the greatest sympathy with the suffering of those affected.

But for now:
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Old 09-27-2015, 12:43 PM   #72
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What VW did goes on all the time. Could this be the inevitable result of a government role moving from regulator of the auto industry, to being a stakeholder? If so, this is as ominous to the RV industry as it is to the tow vehicle industry.

Less adds up the more I read about this.
  • We have not yet heard any study data indicating these TDI models are even producing significantly higher emissions - only that their software had an EPA test mode.
  • Emissions testing is extremely complex yet there was no EPA investigation or charges. With nothing more than findings from an aftermarket company, the EPA confronted VW and demanded they admit guilt or have all VW/Audi diesel vehicles decertified - certain bankruptcy.
  • VW will be hit with $18 billion in fines for questionable emissions - 20 times more than the $900 million GM just paid after ignition problems resulted 124 deaths. 60 times more than Hyundai was fined for rigging its software for EPA fuel mileage tests.
The $18 billion flowing into EPA coffers is what VW profits in one year! Or $2000 for every car VW produced in 2013! No problem, just raise car prices.

Something is rotten in Denmark. More here: EPA To Volkswagen: Emissions Cheating Is Far Worse Than Killing 124 People
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Old 09-27-2015, 12:49 PM   #73
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Yes, "suffering" all the way to the bank. Are you kidding me, what's to suffer?
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Old 09-27-2015, 01:30 PM   #74
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Originally it was only the smaller 4 cylinders. Have the V6s been implicated as well? If it has DEF it is good. Guess I am really glad I went with the 2014 ML350 BluTec over the VW products.


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  • We have not yet heard any study data indicating these TDI models are even producing significantly higher emissions - only that their software had an EPA test mode.
  • Emissions testing is extremely complex yet there was no EPA investigation or charges. With nothing more than findings from an aftermarket company, the EPA confronted VW and demanded they admit guilt or have all VW/Audi diesel vehicles decertified - certain bankruptcy.
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According to NY Times reporting http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/bu...a-scandal.html
the independent investigators including former EPA staffers teamed up with California state regulators to examine on-road performance of VW diesels. This had not been done previously, emissions testing being limited by both state and federal groups to dynamometer static testing.

Finding a large discrepency between static and road results and after several go-arounds and denials by VW engineers, CA regulators alerted the EPA. Still VW denied, blaming the testers, even provided new software. But the problem persisted, for all government groups. CA examined the software and found the cheat. What is more they arranged the static test to simulate on-road activity and the emissions soared.

That finally forced VW to admit the deceit.
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:42 PM   #76
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The emissions of the 11,000,000 dirty VW's is 40% higher then the spec's.

That is the equivalent of having 19,000,000 clean VW's on the road.

This is 8,000,000 ghost smog producing vehicles.

That is a problem . VW got caught and they will have to face the consequences .
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Old 09-27-2015, 07:01 PM   #77
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the independent investigators including former EPA staffers teamed up with California state regulators to examine on-road performance of VW diesels.

That finally forced VW to admit the deceit.
Like I said, no EPA investigation. Since when does a private company and some CA bureaucrats represent the EPA?

Compare this to the investigations Toyota and GM faced....
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It stinks.
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Old 09-27-2015, 07:08 PM   #78
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The emissions of the 11,000,000 dirty VW's is 40% higher then the spec's.
Others say 5% - point is the EPA did not conduct an investigation.

A bit of NO is a 20x bigger deal than GM's negligence that killed 125 people? This is where we have lost our compass.
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Frankly, the emission goals set by the EPA for diesels over the past several years are unrealistic.

With this in mind, the "golden age" of small and medium duty diesels regarding economy and reliability is past.

It takes TOO MANY gimmicks for a diesel engine to pass modern EPA standards.

The extra "2% clean" for modern diesels comes at a high cost.


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Next you are going to tell us that the climate is not changing, and that if it is, man's influences are not the primary cause of it.
Climate change is what the world is all about, and always has been!

Earth's climate has been changing constantly since the earth was formed.

We have been emerging from the last ice age, steadily, for quite some time.

Man may have a minute impact on this, but there is no stopping climate change.

Remove mankind from the planet and the changes in our climate will continue forever.

A short time ago, the planet was inhabitable for human beings due to climate. Far too cold. Called an ice age. The planet has been in and out of ice ages for ages.

Recently, climactic conditions have been favorable for human habitation on the planet. However, in the not too distant future, the earth will once again be inhabitable (due to climate) for humans. Nothing we can do about that.
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Imagine that!


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Climate change is what the world is all about, and always has been!
Yup! What better thing is there to tax? Tax it when it goes up. Tax when it when it goes down. Tax it when when it goes all around.

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Yup! What better thing is there to tax? Tax it when it goes up. Tax when it when it goes down. Tax it when when it goes all around.
You've got it, friend. So many others just don't get it. But there are a lot of other things they don't "get" either. Best to just ignore 'em.
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