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Old 09-26-2015, 12:04 PM   #57
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....or you could come to Durango and witness first hand the damage the EPA caused due to their negligence in dealing with toxic water from mining operations.
The EPA's negligence. I do realize that the EPA goofed up somehow and the mine waste got out, but the negligence as not having this cleaned up in the first place, Why wasn't this waste cleaned up by the mine owners, or Colorado etc. It was a time bomb waiting to happen and there are many more just like it. Is Colorado doing anything now about all the others just waiting to leak, not that I've heard. There is blame here no doubt, but the EPA was trying to keep tabs on things and someone made a mistake.
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:54 PM   #58
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I don't think in the end this will be as big as the media paints it.
Our EPA is not one of the most up and up agencies we want to think they are and when they start smogging 747s maybe we can do something realistic about pollution!

My take on what VW did is BRILLIANT!

They will prob. do a software upgrade and someone else will come up with an upgrade buster or some chip to dial in your get up and go and we can call it a day!
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Old 09-26-2015, 12:54 PM   #59
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If the consumer public THINKS that VW is the only auto manufacture cheating on these tests you better rethink. Want less government, this is what you ultimately can end up with. Corporate lobbyist RUN governments and draft the legislation that allows such criminal behavior AND disasters to happen. Corporations hire the brightest minds ($$$$) to rig the 'system' to their benefit. We expect less government (fewer inspectors) to catch these rats. Additionally, we think civil service should work for lower - and LOWER - compensation. As we KNOW: You won't get a new Land Yacht for the price of a "pop-up" trailer or a new Bambi. Corporate criminals rarely get prosecuted - or serve much time when they are. These EPA mileage tests are NEVER real life experiences - NEVER!! Like Charlie Brown, we keep on kicking at the dang football! Lucy (all businesses) keeps on laughing!! The Top VW executive resigned and will still get a BIG check going out the door. We are collectively stupid by thinking we aren't part of the root problem. Don't buy crappy products or services. EVERYONE with one of the affected VW's need to be looking for class-action legal status. Form THAT posse and find a legal rope!!
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:27 PM   #60
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So much misinformation going around folks! How about this for some of my 2 cents logic:

* VW will not buy the affected cars back. How could they buy back 11 million cars at, say, $10K a pop? That would be $110 Billion and they would have to go bankrupt to do this and even then, not enough to pay everyone.
* The mess they are in was caused by pure greed and dishonesty. They could not meet the new EPA standards without UREA catalytic devices because it would have cost too much per vehicle, also making them less attractive to buy.
* Instead, VW added the illegal software to turn on the emissions control devices they had only while the cars are under testing (only the drive wheels moving). After the test, the cars go on their usual way maximizing torque and fuel efficiency at the expense of NOx emissions. Like it or not, lower emissions are the law in most countries!
* So VW will likely simply recall the cars, reflash the software to permanently turn on the emission control devices and tune parameters. So the owners will get lower fuel economy and a decrease in Torque, probably significantly.
* Those owners who refuse to voluntarily have their cars reflashed will probably be stopped at license renewal time by their State's DMVs.
* Then the owners will file massive class-action suits for their damages and VW will be almost ruined.
* Those of you who want to buy VW stock, should also consider buying some ENRON while you are at it
* Other Diesels will not be affected if there was no defeat devices installed. Remember the '07 and '08 Jeep Grand Cherokees with the 3.0L CRD Mercedes engine? Well, they are incredible in performance and fuel economy (I know because I tow my 25' FC with it!). But Chrysler decided to stop offering the 3.0L CRD after 2008 because they couldn't meet the EPA standards without UREA units.

What a mess!!!
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:37 PM   #61
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Not all states have yearly inspections, some, like Fl, never have inspections. Move here.
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:47 PM   #62
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[QUOTE=alantbird;1689170]I don't think in the end this will be as big as the media paints it.

My take on what VW did is BRILLIANT!

Not if they go Bankrupt because of this! Between the EPA fines and Owners' Class Action Suits, the future does not bode well for VW.
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The EPA's negligence. I do realize that the EPA goofed up somehow and the mine waste got out, but the negligence as not having this cleaned up in the first place, Why wasn't this waste cleaned up by the mine owners, or Colorado etc. It was a time bomb waiting to happen and there are many more just like it. Is Colorado doing anything now about all the others just waiting to leak, not that I've heard. There is blame here no doubt, but the EPA was trying to keep tabs on things and someone made a mistake.
The waste is naturally in the mountain, when draining the water the waste came with it, too much to contain in their settling ponds....
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Have a 2011 TDI Jetta Sportwagon w only 51K miles. Love the car. Am sick to my stomach over this mess. We were talking about a Touareg as a TV to replace our 2006 Toyota 4Runner. Not now. Damn.
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Old 09-26-2015, 04:30 PM   #65
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Have a 2011 TDI Jetta Sportwagon w only 51K miles. Love the car. Am sick to my stomach over this mess.
It is not a big deal. As commented above, this stuff goes on all the time. It is all blown out of proportion by the press - which loves to make a crisis out of nothing.

The car you love is unfazed by it all.
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Thumbs up "Real cars don't need spark plugs"

We drove our '09 Jetta TDI and '11 Jetta Sportswagen TDI all over the USA and western Canada. I love the performance, mileage, and range. Our kids got hand me downs as we progressed to our '14 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel. The Jeep served as the TV for our 23FB on a recent 13,700 mile trip from Seattle to St. John's Newfoundland. We averaged 16.5 mpg overall. We had no trouble across the numerous passes and rough roads on "the Rock", though I did manage to crack an alloy wheel on the Jeep when I hit a pothole I could not see during a storm near Cornerbrook, NL.

Initially, I was unhappy that I would need to use DEF, but this is a very minor inconvenience. Walmart usually has the best price and turns over enough stock to assure it is not expired. I learned about the problems with expired DEF (it is temperature sensitive) after a dealer in California tried to sell me my first DEF refill with an expiration date that had passed.
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Currently drive a 2011 Audi A3 TDI. Love the performance, fuel economy, and outstanding quality of the car. I average about 43 MPG and I occasionally do not hesitate to test the outer limits of the paddle shifters when launching away from a stop light. Best fuel economy has been just over 50 MPG on the highway using the cruise control at 65 MPH. My car has just a touch over 77k on it and I can change the oil and fuel filter, anything more technically challenging mechanically, will be taken care via a local small shop that specializes in Bavarian manufactured vehicles. As a reminder, some nit-wit politician stated that busineeses don't need government over-site, that the markets will take care of themselves and others nit-wits are currently attempting to defund the EPA.
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From the International Business Times ( and others): First, car owners must be aware of their engines' model. Not all diesel-fueled engines were affected by the faulty software, Volkswagen said in a statement released Tuesday. "Discrepancies relate to vehicles with Type EA 189 engines, involving some 11 million vehicles worldwide," read the statement, adding, "A noticeable deviation between bench test results and actual road use was established solely for this type of engine."

Cars that fall under this category of diesel engines include but may not be limited to Jetta, 2009 to 2015; Jetta SportWagen TDI, 2009 to 2014; Beetle, 2012 to 2015; Beetle Convertible, 2013 to 2015; Audi A3, 2010 to 2015; Golf, 2010 to 2015; Golf SportWagen TDI, 2015; and Passat, 2012 to 2015, the Chicago Tribune reported Monday, citing a letter from the EPA.

At least to date, it is not the larger engines used in the Touareg, Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne that have a problem. In addition, the newest models seem to meet the required standards.


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From the International Business Times ( and others): First, car owners must be aware of their engines' model. Not all diesel-fueled engines were affected by the faulty software, Volkswagen said in a statement released Tuesday. "Discrepancies relate to vehicles with Type EA 189 engines, involving some 11 million vehicles worldwide," read the statement, adding, "A noticeable deviation between bench test results and actual road use was established solely for this type of engine."

Cars that fall under this category of diesel engines include but may not be limited to Jetta, 2009 to 2015; Jetta SportWagen TDI, 2009 to 2014; Beetle, 2012 to 2015; Beetle Convertible, 2013 to 2015; Audi A3, 2010 to 2015; Golf, 2010 to 2015; Golf SportWagen TDI, 2015; and Passat, 2012 to 2015, the Chicago Tribune reported Monday, citing a letter from the EPA.

At least to date, it is not the larger engines used in the Touareg, Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne that have a problem. In addition, the newest models seem to meet the required standards.

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There is a VW statement via VW.com link to Volkswagen Diesel Information | Volkswagen Diesel Information
It does not mention the engine designation but includes a list of affected VW models (not Audi) but only specifies it applies to 2.0L 4-cylinder TDI cars.
  • VW Jetta TDI (Model Years 2009 2015)
  • VW Jetta SportWagen TDI (Model Years 2009-2014)
  • VW Golf TDI (Model Years 2010-2015)
  • VW Golf SportWagen TDI (Model Year 2015)
  • VW Beetle TDI and VW Beetle Convertible TDI (Model Years 2012-2015)
  • VW Passat TDI (Model Years 2012-2015
The combination whether or not towing, of performance, fuel economy and environmental compliance was central to my choosing a 20' AS and Jetta TDI as a reasonable solution in an age transitioning to sustainable energy. For me, this is a blow to the basic premise of mobile living.


While VW promises a "remedy," what that will mean to performance as a TV is crucial to the outcome for me.
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“It takes a very savvy program to fool the computer and detect the sophisticated test cycle,” said Stanley Young, spokesman for the California Air Resources Board, which is also investigating VW. “This was clearly well thought out and took a lot of programming.”

Yeah, the traction/braking control system noticed the discrepancies in the wheel rotation rates (front & rear) and lack of steering wheel inputs. Really sophisticated (not)!
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