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09-25-2015, 03:10 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Broadway
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rostam
I'm still trying to understand the idiot in VW who thought they could do this emission "defeat device" AND get away with it.
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I've a guess. It is age old. VW "arranged monetary favors" for a government EPA official in return for the testing software interfaces.
Someone figured it out. So a VW exec falls on his sword.
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2000 F150 4.2L (retired), 2011 F250 6.2L, 2010 ML550, 2000 Excursion 7.3L
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09-25-2015, 03:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2007 20' Safari
Chelmsford
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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There is a Consumer Reports "Talking Cars" video on this subject out today as a video podcast, or on youtube:
discussing the VW mess in depth.
If I heard right on that video, DEF (emmisions fluid) was added to the 2015 Jetta. It may be that VW was trying to get out from under the hanging sword of discovery by making itsTDIs fixable with a minimum of pain, just a program update. Older versions without DEF would cost considerably more to update to DEF systems.
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09-25-2015, 03:14 PM
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Always learning
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central
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Work is never done, so take time to play!
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09-25-2015, 03:21 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2007 20' Safari
Chelmsford
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 108
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Originally Posted by Top
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No, it does not have that role, or budget. It has to depend on self-reporting by auto manufacturers. Regulation it seems is unpopular.
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09-25-2015, 03:28 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
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Hooray for VW for defeating our unnecessary standards. Time will show all these standards are not needed. It's a hoax. No I'm not trying to be funny, it will all become apparent once objective people go over all the research done in the last decade or two. Just my opinions and those of a growing number of ignored skeptics.
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09-25-2015, 03:35 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Broadway
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top
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Why would the EPA turn itself in?
The aftermarket tuner companies have been under full blown assault by the Feds and car company attorneys lately, Good for them!
(thanks for the link Top)
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2000 F150 4.2L (retired), 2011 F250 6.2L, 2010 ML550, 2000 Excursion 7.3L
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09-25-2015, 03:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Broadway
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Quote:
Originally Posted by avionstream
. Time will show all these standards are not needed. It's a hoax. No I'm not trying to be funny, it will all become apparent once objective people go over all the research done in the last decade or two. .
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You are correct. It has gotten out of control to the point of criminal. Its like VHS vs Betamax except these days EPA picks the winners and the losers by simply writing the regulations.
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09-25-2015, 03:41 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
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Really......
Yep...time fixes all hoaxes.
A little more time and Wally World will be under water.
Bob
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09-25-2015, 03:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' FB FC Bunk
Ayer
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Its like getting an old Powerstroke without having to pay for a EGR delete.
Obviously, its hard to make some people happy.
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09-25-2015, 04:49 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2010 30' Flying Cloud
Mocksville
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Actually, VW owners have been dealing with clogged egr's (which supposedly causes iced up intercoolers in very cold weather) and clogged DPFs (diesel particulate filters). Also, we have to buy ridiculously expensive oil with very low soot content to protect the DPFs. The DPFs are almost impossible to get to without a lift and are very expensive to replace. So we are dealing with the emission problems despite the software.
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09-25-2015, 04:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
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Join Date: Nov 2011
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Great time buy VW stock. It has nowhere to go but up.
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09-25-2015, 05:01 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Yep...time fixes all hoaxes.
A little more time and Wally World will be under water.
Bob
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You are so wrong, you have fallen for all the environmentalists bs. Time will prove they are wrong and we are paying for it now.
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09-25-2015, 06:28 PM
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1994 30' Excella
alexandria
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If I see a good deal on a TDI I may have to jump on it and just keep it away from the dealership.
VW knows that short trips on with this type of diesel emission system will be nothing but problems - that is why they programmed them the way the did. The EPA standards at the time were too stringent for what technology and manufacturing could actually do on a sustained basis. They only had to pass the stationary emission test. This programming has meant less warranty problems, more fuel mileage and happier customers.
If your TDI gets reflashed you will be in the same boat as others with diesel trucks of this era and you will use the car on longer trips or if your a city driver you will have to take hour long Sunday drives to allow thorough dpf/nox regeneration to happen. Also anticipate a 5 to 10 % decrease in mileage.
The later models that use the SCR/DEF technology should not have nearly as many issues.
Only those cars in the U.S. should have to be reflashed, I doubt the rest of the world will care. VW is the biggest car maker in the world, they will pay off a few politicians and all will be swept under the rug elsewhere in the world.
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09-25-2015, 06:39 PM
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Always learning
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
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Purportedly, we landed a man on the moon in 1969 before I was born. I think getting a diesel powered car to meet some basic standards for emissions would be fairly easy if the manufacturer wanted to comply.
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09-25-2015, 06:46 PM
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2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
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We have a 2006 Jetta TDI, as nice as when we bought it new. This is our second, good economical cars. Been shopping for a new Touareg to tow our Airstream, perhaps we can get a good deal as a result of the "scandal".
As for VW's future; someone said there is no such thing as bad publicity. Probably a good time to buy the stock and the VW at bargain prices.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
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09-25-2015, 06:56 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by avionstream
You are so wrong, you have fallen for all the environmentalists bs. Time will prove they are wrong and we are paying for it now.
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...your time is running out, the end is near.
It's great to be rong......and full of bs to boot.
Bob
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09-25-2015, 07:02 PM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
N/A
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
...perhaps we can get a good deal as a result of the "scandal".
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When a car manufacturer bills its diesel engines as clean, sells 11 million such vehicles, claims a certain amount of emission, yet the engine produces 40 times that amount, I would think its safe to say its a legitimate "scandal".
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09-25-2015, 07:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' FB FC Bunk
Ayer
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As a New Englander I feel like if we got passed Deflategate VW can survive the defeated scandal.
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09-25-2015, 07:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
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Okay, perhaps we can get a good deal as a result of the "legitimate scandal".
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09-25-2015, 07:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' FB FC Bunk
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rostam
When a car manufacturer bills its diesel engines as clean, sells 11 million such vehicles, claims a certain amount of emission, yet the engine produces 40 times that amount, I would think its safe to say its a legitimate "scandal".
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All joking aside I think you are correct. They did portray themselves in one light, then cheat, bad. Honesty I have a hard time believing a company like that would make such a decision. I will say I am only going on the little I have heard and read.
I'd be curious if this is the tip of the iceberg. What about all the other related brands? Are they doing the same thing?
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