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Old 07-04-2015, 01:28 PM   #15
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The op only wanted to know if one was more stable than the other. We got way off base.
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:31 PM   #16
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If you're concerned about the trailer pushing the trailer sideways and that force leveraging to the front axle, get a Hensley or ProPride hitch. The sideways movement is felt over the rear axle, not behind it. No noticeable movement leveraged forward. Wheelbase length is taken out of the picture, our 120" Ram is solid as a rock in all wind and traffic conditions.

Longer wheelbase makes it harder for the w.d. hitch to distribute weight, especially if heavy gear is behind the rear axle.

Get what you like and need, trailer stability can be mitigated with short wheelbase.
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:44 PM   #17
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:17 PM   #18
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"If you decide to use a Chevy Citation instead, make sure you really crank in the weight distribution before you take the back wheels off
(it's actually been done, Citation pulled the Airstream with the back end completely off the ground....)"

You can go back even farther. Back in the mid-60's, when the Olds Toronado came out, there was a commercial showing a Toronado towing an Airstream, and they had removed the Toronado's rear wheels to show that it was front wheel drive. Remember, that was the first front-wheel-drive American car in 30 years or so.
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Old 07-05-2015, 12:14 AM   #19
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We came up with this from experience using this reg cab 120" wheelbase towing our Airstream throughout this country many, many times, dodging deer running into the roadway and errant drivers cutting us off in lane changes. Semis pass us even in strong cross wind with no effect. Absolutely stable in all conditions, traffic and weather.

Hensley came up with the Hensley hitch design and began selling them over twenty years ago. Trailer yaw is stopped by the truck's rear axle, wheelbase has little to nothing to do with it.
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:54 PM   #20
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The question was not about hitches he asked long or short box....


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Yes that is true, but the hitch stuff is also relevant.

My screen name, by the way, is Lumatic, but you can also call me Marshall.

It may be helpful, especially to me, to put this in a context. My tow vehicle is a 99 F 250 extended cab with a short box and a Triton engine. After years of towing my 25'*Tradewind I began having some pretty serious sway problems. It was kind of OK before I had some front end work done (perhaps coincidental) I have since repaired a lot of other loose front end stuff and it is better, but not cured. Recently I got a 34 foot Excella. My Tradewind is about 4500# with a 450# tongue weight. My Excella 8500# with a 800# tongue weight. Still some sway problems, but also my F250 is working pretty hard on hills. Hence I am thinking of upgrading to a diesel.

I have a Husky WD hitch with friction sway bar mounted to a Air Safe Hitch to soften up the ride. The Airsafe puts the hitch ball about a foot further behind the receiver compared to where it would be otherwise. I wonder if the extended position of the hitch ball may be also contributing to sway.
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Old 07-05-2015, 10:09 PM   #21
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Marshall,
Not an expert like others, but I currently use and AirSafe hitch with a long wheelbase truck and an old, old Reese WD set up and see no sway problem. I would not think the AirSafe is at a major factor in the problem you are experiencing with sway.
I never liked the friction type of sway control as I also had one of those years ago and used it with an Eas-Lift WD hitch and I never could get it adjusted correctly for all conditions and had to keep adjusting it as roads and weather dictated. That's when I switched over to the Resse with the stirups and towing became a breeze.
I also owned a 1984 Diesel Ford F250 and found the front end to be loose compared to my current Chevy with a diesel. Maybe a trip to a few dealers and do some test drives could tell you if it is the old trucks front end that may be the cause?? Or, it might just eliminate the truck as the problem. I don't know what kind of front end the 99 Ford had on it, but on mine it was the I-beam style that they had used for years, now I'm sure Ford has upgraded their front ends several times since then. Your 99 might be a different type of front end and axle altogether.
Sounds like your ready for a newer truck anyway.
Also those weight numbers you posted in post #28, are those from weight scale where you got the actual weight of your loaded trailer? Just looking at the numbers the tongue weight seems a little low compared to my 27' that is about 925#, if I remember correctly.
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:01 AM   #22
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The longer the wheel base, the more stable towing will be.
Longest: Crew cab, 8' bed is the longest truck.
Longer: Crew cab, 6' bed or extended cab 8' bed are about equal in length, and basically 2' shorter than crew cab, 8' bed.
Long: Extended cab 6' box or regular cab 8' box are about equal in length, and basically 2' shorter than crew cab, 6' bed or extended cab, 8' bed.
short: Regular cab, 6' bed is basically 2' shorter than than an extended cab, 6' bed or regular cab, 8' bed and is the shortest truck sold.
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:25 AM   #23
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Towing: Short vs. long bed?

No one is going to be able to test and find differences between two otherwise similar trucks and bed length.

The differences will be to the truck with the better suspension and steering, as well as lower COG and tires. Realistically, 2WD versus 4WD where the former has better on road tires.

That's about it.

One might say it is the difference between the second tier hitches, where the Dual Cam is superior to an Equalizer. Neither is a first rate hitch as are the VPP hitches (a Euro SUV, for this comparison).

As to which truck bed is more useful I voted for the long bed. That's the better question, the useful question, between the two. Same for four doors over two.
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My experience with 4 tow vehicles

Over the years, I've pulled our 27' Overlander with 4 different TVs. In order of preference, lowest first is a regular cab short bed 1500 Ram. It pulled fine, but I knew the AS was there and did get some sway and at times it felt like the AS was pushing the truck, that may be just me though. Next was and still is a 2006 Durango with the Hemi. Much more stable than the 1500 Ram and a smoother ride in my opinion. 2500 extended cab short bed Ram with the 5.9 diesel. Great truck and never knew the AS was there. Last and my favorite for many reasons beyond towing is an F350 crew cab long bed dually with a diesel. The dually is overkill for the AS, but we also use it for a large Lance cabover camper. Between the Ram 2500 and the F350, I see no difference towing the AS. The big difference to me is the comfort and the smoother ride with the F350.
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The only difference in bed lengths is more or less storage. The wheel base is the factor that effects the "feel" when towing. I have a mega cab Dodge with a 6'5" bed. My wheel base is equal to a long bed crew cab Dodge. I wanted more interior space than a standard crew and was ok with loosing some bed storgae space. The bed length doesn't effect the drivabilty when not towing. It is the wheel base that makes it a big truck.

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Interesting observation, the single cab Ram with long bed is the same length as my crew cab Ram with 5.7ft box. The longest you can get on the crew cab is the 6.8ft box on the Ram.
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:03 PM   #27
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The dually is overkill for the AS, but we also use it for a large Lance cabover camper. Between the Ram 2500 and the F350, I see no difference towing the AS. The big difference to me is the comfort and the smoother ride with the F350.
An argument for dually that makes sense to me (even though I don't have one) is more brakes than a single axle.

I am surprised to hear you say the 350 is smoother than the 3/4 ton. I would suspect the beefier suspension would give you a harsher ride,

At the risk of highjacking my own thread. I bought a new truck. It was a toss up between a 2013 Chevy 2500 Diesel work truck with 65K miles for 37K. Real nice shape but nothing fancy; and a 2008 Ram 2500 Lariat diesel I saw on the internet today. I was tempted not to bother with the Dodge because I had 90% decided on the Chevy. But it had 43 K on it. The asking prices were about the same. A 7 year old truck for the same price (36K) as a 2 year old truck (37K) did not make any sense at all. But when I took the Dodge for a ride my mind was made up in 5 minutes. The Lariat has leather heated seats, a sunroof, jake brake, 6.7 Cummins, 6 speed auto, brand new Michelins, Bilstein shocks and steering stabilizer electric windows including the rear, bed liner, and some other bells and whistles I can't remember. It looked amazing and has been immaculately maintained. He only used it to tow a small trailer once, so he says but I believe him. Plus I got her for 31 thou.
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"An argument for dually that makes sense to me (even though I don't have one) is more brakes than a single axle." I believe that a dually has the same brake setup as a single rear wheel. The wheels on a dually are basically mounted back-to-back, so there would not be an additional brake assembly.

A truck (or MH) with a tag axle is a different story. In that case there will be an additional brake assembly on each side.
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