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Old 12-17-2012, 04:03 PM   #57
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Isn't the Tradesman only in a "work truck" trim.
Yes, and I'm not interested in it, but it does show it would be an easy task, at least for that manufacturer, to bump up the weight capacities on any of their 1500's because they obviously already have the parts.
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It's hard to tell on their site, I can't seem to spec a Tradesman HD.

There are 2 trucks, a Tradesman 1500 with a 4.7l
and a Tradesman HD with the Hemi. I believe, looking at the pic that the Tradesman HD is a 2500 in work truck trim.

Edit: but the pic looks like it has a 1500 badge??? the underpinnings look like a 2500. Maybe it is a derated 2500 chassis?
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I'm getting all the data here: http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_g...wing.Specs.pdf
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OK, I see. Go to the "Build" site and look at the pics. The HD chassis looks like a 2500. You can't always go by website art, but that is the other way to get to 2016. Take a 2500 and de-rate the suspension to make it more civilized until you can redesign from the ground up.

GM is on cycle to do an all new 1500 for 2014. Rumor is Ford will do an all new 1500 chassis in 2015. Rumor on Ram is missing. Maybe they are out beyond 2016 and will fill the 1500 space with a de-rated 2500????????

BTW, that's pretty much what Ford did with the Econoline as they will drop it when the Transit hits.
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I tried to find the HD on the build thing, but couldn't. It's got to be a totally different truck because all the weights are heavier. Wonder if it can even be done then with existing 1/2 ton axles and suspension parts?
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my 3/4 ton Dodge would seem to meet all of your listed specs with room to spare. Mine is white, but there are other colors.
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Thanks Bill, but I have a 3/4 ton already, and is one of the things I'm wanting to get away from. Any of the maufacturers 3/4 ton will certainly do the job, but I would like the drivability, comfort, and ride of a 1/2 ton.
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I went to town and looked at Ford F150's today, and they do have some great specs., however to get the maximum towing capacity and max GVWR, you must get the Supercrew with the 6.5 ft bed. Virtually the same length truck I have now. Their Supercab has suicide doors, so Ford is out of the running at this point.

I did, however, drive a truck with the Ecoboost engine. I was not impressed with the power, but it would be a good option for someone that wants to be able to tow a trailer, and also does a lot of unloaded driving (fuel mileage thing). The truck I drove was the King Ranch edition, top of the line, and the seats are still too short on the bottom.

So Rich, when are those new GM trucks going to be out?

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Just a thought... If you stayed with a 3/4 and went with a ling bed it would smooth out the ride. My 1 ton dually long bed rides just about as smooth as the 1/2 ton 4x4 with the short bed. Just a thought.
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Just a thought... If you stayed with a 3/4 and went with a ling bed it would smooth out the ride. My 1 ton dually long bed rides just about as smooth as the 1/2 ton 4x4 with the short bed. Just a thought.
But darn Bruce, I'd have to build a new garage. My current truck fits in the garage with only 6" or so to spare. And the other thing is, I'd like a truck that is easier to get around town....you know, like being able to actually park in the grocery store parking lot, and not out on the street.
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Parking in the garage is important to me as well. My Tundra has 1" between the garage door and the rear bumper. I always make take the test drive to my house to make sure it fits before I buy a new truck.
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I went to town and looked at Ford F150's today, and they do have some great specs., however to get the maximum towing capacity and max GVWR, you must get the Supercrew with the 6.5 ft bed. Virtually the same length truck I have now. Their Supercab has suicide doors, so Ford is out of the running at this point.

I did, however, drive a truck with the Ecoboost engine. I was not impressed with the power, but it would be a good option for someone that wants to be able to tow a trailer, and also does a lot of unloaded driving (fuel mileage thing). The truck I drove was the King Ranch edition, top of the line, and the seats are still too short on the bottom.

So Rich, when are those new GM trucks going to be out?

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Hi Steve,

This thread has been wonderfully civil, so I'll give you what I have to show "it CAN be done with a half ton". I'm not advocating any brand over another, but trying to give you some data points for your research.

I have a 2004 Nissan Titan, and currently tow an SOB (28' Arctic Fox) that scales at 7000# when packed for two weeks, and with about 780# of tongue weight. When running the numbers on the Titan, I have 2000# of towing capacity in reserve, and depending on what's packed, plenty of payload capacity. The truck was only offered in Crew Cab configuration when I bought (I have one of the first ones, built in 11-11-03) and the box is the six-footer.

Everywhere from where I live is uphill or downhill, along with windy. I get about 10 MPG when I hold the speed to 55, and 8.5 MPG when I go 60. I have an older Reese twin-cam and have no sway or control issues. In a couple years we hope to have a 27FB behind this same truck, as I've quit driving it daily and now use it just for "truck stuff".

Hopefully that can give you some answers.
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Thanks Steamguy. I've been running numbers and running numbers until I'm almost sick of it. Yes, it can be done with a 1/2 ton, but so far I've not found a 1/2 ton that I want that will do it. I trust you have read my desires in a previous post.

My numbers are a little different than yours. My trailer has a GVWR of 10,000 pounds, but I know it really doesn't weigh that much. I have a weight ticket from when I first lisenced it here at 7,280 lbs. Also, I know that with tongue weight, the way I want to equip the truck with a camper shell, and the things we routinely carry, we will have about 1700 pounds in the truck with the amount of the tongue weight that is carried by the truck.

So anyway, it boils down to needing about 8500 lbs towing capacity WITH 17-1800 lbs weight carrying capacity.

One thing that I was encouraged by today looking at the Ford F150s, they use the same tires on even the max tow and max weight capacity trucks, and the same rear spring pack. Believe it or not, they change things like a different oil pump in the engine, and a larger trans cooler for the heavier rated trucks.
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