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Old 12-15-2012, 10:08 PM   #29
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Ours is a Crewcab with four normal doors and a roomy back seat area. I find the extra interior space very useful.
If you have the Ford with four normal doors, you have what Ford calls the Supercrew, and they either have the 5 1/2' bed (I want to 6 1/2'), and if they have the 6 1/2, it's as long as my current truck, which is something I want to get away from.
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If you have the Ford with four normal doors, you have what Ford calls the Supercrew, and they either have the 5 1/2' bed (I want to 6 1/2'), and if they have the 6 1/2, it's as long as my current truck, which is something I want to get away from.
Total length or wheelbase or both?

130" WB is easy enough to live with, but once one hits 160" it's another story.

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Old 12-16-2012, 12:27 PM   #31
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The F150's that have the MaxPayload package and with the highest tow rating have a 157" or 163" wheelbase. This length of truck is one thing I want to get away from....like driving a 10 wheeler.
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Hi Steve

What do you carry in the box of your pick up?

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What do you carry in the box of your pick up?

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Nothing really heavy, just "stuff", and it always seems to be full when we take trips. Things like folding bicycles, flag poles, kayak paddles, camping things like a door mat, propane Bar-B-Q, etc. Right now the back of my truck is totally full with our club's rally supplys because we are hosting in January, is probably the heaviest load we normally carry, and I estimate at 400 pounds.

I need a 6 1/2 foot bed.
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We tow our 1994 30ft excella clasic with our 2003 F150 4x4 crew cab with a 5 1/2 foot bed and tow paqckage. We are full timers with 2 dogs and stuff. I have an older reese hitch and plan to buy a new one. We weigh in at 9300 lbs also, and the hitch does the job well. I have the 5.4L eng. and it slows down on big grades but really, what truck dosen't. I called ford Tech. staff and was told it should be no problem with my truck and so far they were right.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:07 PM   #35
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If your trailer is empty I would guess your tongue weight at approx 1000 lbs (including a wd hitch). Now with your 400lbs of stuff you are at 1400Lbs
Most F150's without max payload are rated for 1750 lbs.Now you are down to 350 lbs of weight capacity ..So now you fill your propane bottles (on the trailer tongue) add some passengers and throw a few things in the cab and some stuff in the Airstream (forward of the trailer wheels).....Hmmmmm
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:12 PM   #36
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Steve,

Yes, I have the 5 1/2 foot bed. A sheet of 4X8 plywood stretches from the front of the bed to the back of the tailgate when the tailgate is in the down position.

If you don't absolutely need the 6 1/2 foot bed, I have been very happy with this truck setup I know have. I did add an "Undercover" brand tonneau cover with a set of Yakima rails on top for hauling bikes, etc.
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Hi Steve

I don't know if it would work for you but something to consider is the Ford Expedition Max. Without the third seat it has almost as much carrying space as the pick up box but in a much shorter package. When you want to carry something large you can fold down the second row seat and you have an 8' bed. If you need to carry more people you can put the third seat back in and seat 8 so it has a lot different capabilities. What you carry in the back is more secure than a truck cap always stays dry and visibility is much better than looking through a truck cap.

Because the Expedition has a solid body from front to back the chassis structure has a small fraction of the flex and twist that a pick up chassis has. This gives you a much better ride and because it is stronger they can give it independent rear suspension which further improves the ride and substantially improves the handling.

We have quite a few customers with these and I always find it a very nice working vehicle.

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Yes, I know I would be right at the max weight with the heaviest duty of 1/2 ton trucks, and even to the point I would change the tires immediately for more safety margin. Again, I'm just in the "exploration" part of this vehicle search at this time, with actual purchase date at least six months out.

Yes, I need a 6 1/2' bed because I barely get by with that now because of the volume, not the weight. I do not, however, need or even want the cab capacity of a Supercrew, and part of what I want to achieve at the time I do trade is a shorter wheelbase than my current truck.

Don't have all the info on the new 2014 GM 1/2 ton trucks at this time, but it looks like one might work. A 2013 Ram might work but the weight numbers will be right at max...maybe a bit over max. At this time, Ford does not make a 1/2 ton that I would buy because their Supercab (not Supercrew) has suicide opening rear doors.
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I don't know if it would work for you but something to consider is the Ford Expedition Max. Without the third seat it has almost as much carrying space as the pick up box but in a much shorter package. When you want to carry something large you can fold down the second row seat and you have an 8' bed. If you need to carry more people you can put the third seat back in and seat 8 so it has a lot different capabilities. What you carry in the back is more secure than a truck cap always stays dry and visibility is much better than looking through a truck cap.

Because the Expedition has a solid body from front to back the chassis structure has a small fraction of the flex and twist that a pick up chassis has. This gives you a much better ride and because it is stronger they can give it independent rear suspension which further improves the ride and substantially improves the handling.

We have quite a few customers with these and I always find it a very nice working vehicle.

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Andrew,

Thanks, and I have now researched the Expedition and don't believe it has adequate towing capacity, adequate power, or adequate payload for my purposes.

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I believe that the engineers that designed the trucks state a maximum payload in writing for a reason.It is the maximum weight that they can haul safely without a parts failure and a release of liability for the manufacturer if something bad happens.
Good advice Moflash.
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Just a comment Steve:

Ford F150 Supercrew 6.5' box Ecoboost payload 2650 lbs; Towing capacity with HD payload pkg 11,300 lbs. 157" wheelbase.

That is the limit on 1/2 ton I believe. Since everyone's payload is different, it is difficult to use that knowledge but these specs and your needs will answer the question you asked I believe.

Supercrews are 145" and 157"
The 8' bed super cab is 163" wheelbase.

It meets your 10K towing gross.
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How is 400-lbs past the Expedition numbers? (1,600-lb payload on EL with 130" WB.)

TW can be set across that vehicle at around 400/425-lbs per axle, WD applied, using a guesstimate TW (9k TT with 12.5 TW at 1125 @ 75%).

But leverage might also be "leveraged" differently on a coil spring SUV. Similar to what was done on cars up to the 1980's. Pulling TT's up to this size where the load is apportioned differently.

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